Different Russian Slug

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by John_Deer, Jul 11, 2014.

  1. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    Russian ammo manufacturers are taking advantage of US ammo manufacturers reluctance to expand and they are coming into the mainstream market. Here is one of the Russian offerings for shotgun only states and CA. The slugs are made of steel and expand much quicker than our top of the line sabots. I do have questions about accuracy and range. The Russian idea of accuracy and mine often are widely different. This slug is made by Ddupleks.

    There are several videos on this page. One is a ballistic clay test. Another is pig that is gut shot but he still drops instantly. Really the gut shot doesn't impress me that much. An adequate hunting rifle or just a plain old rifled slug will do the same thing with shock instead of splintering.

    I have seen bear in NC that weighed 350 to 400 lb. The bear that the Russians drop instantly is much larger than any bear I have seen.

    This slug is also a player in the police and home defense market. Since it splinters over penetration is not an issue. But it may lack the barrier destruction abilities that police demand from shotgun slugs.

    http://ddupleks.com/index.php/en/1270-cal/hexolit-32.html
     
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  2. thdrduck

    thdrduck New Member

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    ouch! Those look nasty.
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Saw these a year or so ago. BUNCH OF HYPE! It cannot do all they claim it does.
     
  4. walkercolt1847

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    These have been out for a while now.

    They might make a good standoff munition for tactical shotgunners. They just seem NASTY, and like they would create and even parger wound cavity.
     
  5. Hookeye

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    My hunting bud got some a couple yrs ago.
    Has never gotten around to testing them.
     
  6. Virginian

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    I agree; pure hype. Perfect design to separate the gullible from their money.
     
  7. tinbucket

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    Doessn't have enough weight to reach out there. Shotguns have realtively low velocities except for a few broaching the 1800 fps level. At that point a heavy slug is about like a .50-110 and will do the job on whatever it hits with a rainbow trajectory.
    For desstruction i would favor the explosive loaded slug. they used to be available but I never bought any, just for curosity collection.
     
  8. kfox75

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    Looks interesting. i may pick up a box to do some independent testing, but for hunting\HD I'll stick with lead. It has worked well for a few hundred years, so I see no need to change now.
     
  9. John_Deer

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    Once I figured out how to convert the weight of the slug it is a weak load. A Walmart special 12ga 3"1 oz plain old rifled slug has a velocity of 1700 fps. Hornady SST sabots have a velocity of 2,000 fps. Winchester XP3 sabots have a velocity of 2,200 fps.

    If the DDuplek slug had a full charge of powder it's velocity would be much more than 1,500 fps.
     
  10. Hookeye

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    Smaller frontal area, less prone to deformation.....I'd like to see penetration tests at 50 yards.
    Designed to be fired from smoothbores, it might be a 50 yard max type of deal by their reckoning.

    BTW, their 3 inch mags run 1575 to 1770 FPS.
     
  11. John_Deer

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    If steel slugs perform like steel shot they will lose their velocity quicker than a lead projectile.

    Federal Fusion sabots are a true 120 yard projectile. The 2 3/4" Fusion sabot weighs 7/8 oz or 383 grains. It comes out of the muzzle at 1600 fps and has a velocity of 1180 fps at 120 yards creating 1180 ft lb of energy. The Fusion sabot drops 5" at 120 yards. The Federal Fusion sabot can be found for less than $10 for 5 rounds, about the same cost as the DDpleks slug. Compared to most effective hunting sabots the Fusion is low recoil.

    Federal also makes a 3" version of the Fusion that is a hard hitting load. Personally if I am going to shoot a 3" slug I am going with the Winchester XP3. The XP3 is very comparable to a 45/70 in both range and energy. The Xp3 sends a 300 gr sabot downrange at over 2,200 fps and is very accurate in my Mossberg 500 with a rifled barrel. I would imagine the XP3 sabot would rival most entry level bolt action rifles from a Browning A Bolt or a Savage bolt action slug gun. I am shooting under 2" groups with the Mossberg 500 and a 4x fixed power scope at 100 yards. I am hitting the bullseye too with the 500, not a group 3 or 4 inches away from the bullseye.
     
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  12. Hookeye

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    Steel is steel but I bet projectile shape and mass has a bit to do with things. I'd expect the Dupleks to lose V fast, but maybe carry sufficiently to ??? (notice I asked for penetration tests in prev post at 50 yards, not 100).

    In the old ads they showed guys shooting the slugs from overunders. My guess is that those were smoothbores, and maybe not even of rifle sighting. Within 50 yards maybe the steel has enough oomph. Dunno, we haven't tested them (hmmmm, sounds like a good range day coming up).

    I live in a "used to be" slug only state.

    Tuned 870s with WW HI Supremes were under 2" @100 yards. Trigger jobs, bought slugs from one lot #, and tested for fouling/cleaning intervals.

    So I have a bit of knowledge in what it truly takes to get good repeatable groups from a slug gun. Also had a few Mossbergs. Usable, maybe even better in smoothbore than others.............but they aint all that great. My pumps good enough I see no need for a slower system (like a bolt slugger).

    Flubbed a shot once, quick second saved the day (pump rig). I have smoked several deer on drives or on the run, with pump guns, but there the first and followups were on the money :)

    I just shoot til their nose hits the dirt if I don't see obvious impact location.

    Guys blew me crap over all the holes. I don't care. Deer rode to check-in in my vehicle, didn't feed the yotes or was taken by next door slobs.
     
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  13. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

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    Can you go on about tuning an 870?
     
  14. Hookeye

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    Trigger job, low scope mount (high comb stock, D&T receiver), tighten bbl to receiver fit (if needed).
    I don't like dual purpose rigs.............deer shotguns stayed deer shotguns, so could get by with proper stocks for scope usage and better triggers.

    Cuz runs my older 870. Traded my other one off.

    Nowadays I shoot a rifle.
     
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  15. St8LineGunsmith

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    too much tissue damage for a hunting situation IMO

    Man those slugs look like they would deliver exessive amounts of unnecessary trauma and would just add to unusable meat IMO you hit a deer in the neck with a 12ga slug it is going down and it aint gonna get back up!
    Now OTOH
    I think these were designed less for hunting and more designed as tactical man stoppers targeteting sales generated by the zomby apocylapse fanatics .
     
  16. St8LineGunsmith

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    on second thought I can see where this slug would be useful for using on dangerous animals like bear. Within its useful range this round should be very effective at stopping a angry griz dead in its tracks.
    I see where it can have the advantage over a conventional slug.
     
  17. Mercator

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    Keyboard takes anything. Why not just try and see?
    The manufacturer is In Latvia, not Russia. Their ammo should keep coming, unless it is a Russian subsidiary.