Different charging styles for an AK

Discussion in 'AK & SKS Discussion' started by Ruzai, Mar 26, 2010.

  1. Ruzai

    Ruzai New Member

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    I've been pondering over this for some time now and was wondering what some of you gents opinions are on the topic. I know the Ak has a right side mounted charging handle and you can get a left handed charging handle from Colorado Shooting Sports.
    I have a scope mount on my AK so the charging handle for the left side is incompatible with my set up, so I was wondering if any of you new about the Ratchet Charging system for the AK? Is it a good deal or would it affect accuracy or be prone to spraying me with the gasses since the gas-tube is opened up more for the ratchet?

    Here's a couple vid links so you can see it.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0YjB0xMXTg&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0YjB0xMXTg&feature=related[/ame]
    http://www.dublinaksystems.com/videos.html
    What do yall think?
     
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  2. diggsbakes

    diggsbakes New Member

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    OK. . . I watched (sand test and all) it and it looks like it'll work just fine. However I have a couple questions:

    Is the reason you are looking into this because you're a lefty?

    I've been shooting every type of firearm my whole life left handed and find that the AK is about the most lefty-user-friendly semi rifle that you can get. Never caught brass in the face. It's light enough that you can pretty much hold it with the pistol grip while keeping a sight picture and reloading.

    How many folks have you talked to that have used the thing throughout thousands of rounds of shooting?

    I'm curious as to how it affects the perfection of the AK. . . That is RELIABILITY! Before I'd even consider it I would want to know from an independent tester how it functions outta the mud, sand, with no lubrication or cleaning extensively.

    Looks like a good idea, but why mess with perfection? ;)
     

  3. Ruzai

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    I'm not a lefty,I'm right handed so I shoulder on my right shoulder and all that, but I prefer a left handed charging handle because I dont like to go under or over the rifle to reload. This seems to speed up reloads and still look like it would work with a side mounted scope mount like the one on mine.
    I havent talked to anyone about using the system, though I hear good things from reviews on it from people on the facebook page they have.
    It looks like it would be a good addition to a decent AK and doesnt comprimise anything. I would by it to help my customizing my AK to be as ergonomicly effective as possible.
    I was wondering if anyone had ever had any experience with any other type of charging system on the AK, especially this one.
     
  4. diggsbakes

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    Sorry man I guess I can see what you are trying to achieve . . but. . . I've never had problem working the carrier right or left handed on an AK. And I've never seen anyone reach over an AK to charge it in the first place. Righty's just keep their left hand on the lower hand-guard and butt stock pressed against shoulder while working the handle with their right hand. This method has worked for over 60 years and can get pretty speedy with practice.

    Us lefty's either keep our left hand on pistol grip with butt stock pressed against shoulder, while working handle with right hand or reach over like the guy showed (himself) a right handed shooter doing. (which they never should).

    AKs can be adapted to fairly easily by individuals dominant with either hand. I could see purchasing this product if you're a lefty and just can't catch on, but it makes no sense for rightys.

    Just my opinion though brother. :)
     
  5. Ruzai

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    I see where you're coming from and you have a good point. I like the accessory for the speed aspect of it and its custom look, its reminicent of a G3 style gun.

    Some people argue that there's this big deal about taking your hand off the pistol grip, and ultimately away from the trigger, when you're a right handed person to operate the bolt but I dont see the big deal, do you?
     
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    I could see a big deal if you don't know your gun. . . if you've practiced with it and are comfortable with it then I'm confident it's not a matter of life and death. Whether it helps or not it still is a damn good idea and I'm sure the fella will make $$$ off it. What's the MSRP?
     
  7. Ruzai

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    Approx. $110 but it only replaces the gas tube and adds a gas-piston heat-shield and a bolt that attaches to it.
     
  8. diggsbakes

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    Interesting. I shoot a right handed bolt gun lefty and I'd like to switch, but I've been shooting like that for so long I'm afraid that even though it would be more comfortable I might fumble around if a second shot was needed.

    If he makes one for the right handed side I'll try one! Now that I thought about it I'm curious.

    I still wanna know what It'll do in mud and such. I guess you could carry your gas tube with you?
     
  9. Ruzai

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    Yeah, I'm going to email him about making one for lefties and maybe making different bolt heads as an add on. It seems like he's pretty busy making one for the Saiga versions right now though.
    Regardless I plan on getting one, and I tend to treck through the woods a lot so if I get the chance I'll let you know if it works well with mud and what not.

    A ratchet operated saiga 12 there's a weird thought :rolleyes:
     
  10. diggsbakes

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    Right on ! Look forward to hearing about it.
     
  11. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Quite frankly, I don't see the point. The Russian Spetznaz have EXTENSIVE experience with the AK rifles. The reach under and charge with the left thumb. Trying to spend hundreds of dollars to adapt a rifle to comply with your ideals is silly. if not down right stupid.

    If you want to charge the rifle from the left side you have the wrong rifle. Get an HK, FN, AR, etc that is made that way. If you have a British made "right drive" car and you want to be able to shift with your right hand, you would not get it converted to the standard left drive, you would get a standard car, right?
     
  12. diggsbakes

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    Yeah you're probably right. . . since I'm going to the range today I guess I'll just have to shoot several hundred rounds through my AK on this beautiful day in CO. While I'm at it I'll be sure to take note of my charging habits and mag release. ;)
     
  13. deth502

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    i never take my hand off the pistol grip to charge my ak. you need to practice your technique.

    i wouldnt put one of those abominations on my rifle if they paid me to use it.

    and im sorry but the "well, their website says it works" argument aint doing **** for me ;)
     
  14. diggsbakes

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    And if you're a lefty like me. . . this problem doesn't exist. :)

    Why don't you explain your technique for the righty folks in here. . .
     
  15. Ruzai

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    Went to the range today, put a hundred rounds or so down range and figured out my stock is too short for my liking, my face is practically squished up against the scope I have on it. Took some slow accurate shots with it and was fairly pleased but wanted to rip my cheap UTG bipod off of it :mad: ...guess you get what you pay for on that situation.
    As for my charging habbits, I did try the under the gun charging technique again extensively, but I still dont think it feels too comfortable for me, Its much faster for me to use my right hand to charge it instead of going under the rifle with my left.

    I know some people are purists about their AKs but this is a WASR 10-63 AKM....come on there isnt much "pure" about it IMHO. I specifically bought the thing to tailor it to my own personal ergonomics and I think this along with a collapsible stock with a adjustable cheek-piece will be my next purchase. Just know I wouldnt be doing this to anything other than and AKM variant, such as an Egyptian Maadi or type 1 or 2 AK-47.
    I know it might seem silly or stupid to modify an AKM and not get a new gun but I'm doing what I can with what I got.:cool:
     
  16. deth502

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    my method is the old "ak reacharound" under teh gun, as such

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz5LPaMhlOc]YouTube - AK-47 Magazine Change[/ame]


    i have seen a few ppl do the over the top method, but i just dont find it comfortable

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPKm98g4ek]YouTube - ak 47 Magazine change[/ame]


    and as for being a"purist" for teh most part, no, i dont like all of the add on useless crap being thrown on aks, but this is not an andustable stock or a galil handguard, this actually interfears with the DESIGN OF THE ACTION unlike the rest of the bolt on crap.

    ig like to see the guys thumb come up a bit too high once and get whacked with that huge fast moving chunk of hand maiming reciprocating charging handle metal once. im sure that woldnt be a positive review for the web site.
     
  17. diggsbakes

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    My bi-pod was pretty lame too. In regards to the short stock: This is one of the (if not the) most common complaints from Americans when shooting AK variants. I have used both the 1-1/2" add on rubber "recoil pad" (mainly stock extender) as well as the slip in version from Pachmeyer. Both of them add length, comfort and improve your shooting.
     
  18. Ruzai

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    I never thought of the reciprocating metal part...but the same could be said about the left side charging handle system from the other guys. I'll be using a vertical grip on my AK before long so I dont think it'll be much of a problem for my thumb to get maimed.

    As for a stock, I was thinking a CAA adjustable stock cause the ATI folding stock looks like it'd break under heavy use.
     
  19. diggsbakes

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    That would work for ya, but I stick to modifying the original furniture (in a tasteful, gentile way, of course) rather than add any plastic. But I'm a Carpenter so I'm prejudiced in regards to that stuff.

    It's all a matter of personal taste my friend! ;)
     
  20. Ruzai

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    Interesting. I take it you've done a stock or two?
    I stained and added a protective coat for a decent looking furniture until I could get an adjustable stock and fore-end all in one online purchase.
    I went from the bright colored laminated wood look to a very deep smooth 4-coat dark color on both the stock and fore-end. I only used Minwax stuff which was easier than I thought it might be, I pretty much ignored the whole "no steel-wool" thing cause I didnt have a dense enough brush when I put the protective clear coat on.