Differences & opinions if these rifles

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Squawk, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. Squawk

    Squawk New Member

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    Savage Model 10 P-SR
    Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine
    Remington 700 SPS AAC-SD

    This will be my first .308 rifle. I'd like to hear what people think of these here. Mainly want a heavy barrel, threaded and barrel that is 20 inches or less. Anyone with experience with these rifles? Or any other rifles that fit the bill.

    Also, and please don't hate for newb question, but are any of these rifles capable of shooting at 1000 yards? I know it would take a lot of practice before I even attempted that distance.

    Any advice or input is appreciated. I don't want to regret whatever purchase I decide to make and want to get as much info as possible before I buy anything.
     
  2. AlotOfPayne

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    Squawk my brother in law had a rem 700 sps tactical which is pretty much the same as the sps tactical aac-sd the only difference i see is that the model you want has a threaded muzzel. His shot sub Moa and I loved that gun of course he had lots of modifications later but at first the gun was just like the one you want 20" heavy barrel I personally didn't see a problem with it but he said the only thing he regretted was not getting a 700 with a longer barrel I think the vt model cause the barrel I think is 26. The longer barrel will help your velocity; maybe your accuracy a little but his was very very accurate for a 20" yes a 308 is capable of 1000 yards but like you said earlier your gonna need a lot of practice the real question is, is the shooter capable of 1000. Good luck on what you decide to go with. Also I personally shot the gun several times so im not just telling you i thought it was cool it performed very well. In the end it ended up with a bell and Carlson stock and is now a 6.5 creedmoor. If your looking for a long range gun you might look into the 6.5 creedmoor there great rounds and I think ruger makes a target version that's nice for around 700-800
     

  3. AlotOfPayne

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    I was right ruger makes a m77 in 6.5 here's a pic it's $835 on able ammo out of stock but maybe you could find it somewhere else if your interest it's heavy barrel not less then 20 though.
    If your set on 20 or less I understand I like shorter barrels too. But just remember in the long run the extra inches are helpful.

    Is that a that's what she said comment?


    Here's the ruger 6.5
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  4. John_Deer

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    They say if you give a man a fish you only feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish he will have fish for the rest of his life. I am going to attempt to teach you how to fish.

    When you go to the firearms manufacturers website every detail about each model of firearm is listed. Manufacturers even give you an idea of how much each model should cost by listing the MSRP. If you go to the manufacturers website and look up the model you are interested in purchasing you will get a better idea of what the firearm is capable of doing than what happened when someone shot their brothers rifle.
     
  5. Squawk

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    I have access to a reloading table that is setup for .308 so I'm sticking with the .308 cartridge. The difference between the three are as follows:
    PSR - 18 inch heavy barrel, Accutrigger, no Accustock, not listed on Savage website

    Precision Carbine - from what I've read, it is not a true heavy barrel, apparently slightly tapers towards the muzzle; does come with Accustock

    Remmy 700 SPS AAC-SD - 20 inch true heavy barrel; X-Mark Pro trigger and hogue stock; have not read a lot of good things about the Hogue stock or X-Mark Pro trigger; read a lot about QC going down since Freedom Group purchased Remmy; tons of aftermarket support

    So the manufacturers page(s) are not that helpful. Basically just wanted to hear people's experience with these rifles or other rifles that are similar.
     
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    OP, A year or so ago, I had similar wants in a rifle. The Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine was on a vey short list of about 3. Slightly ahead of it was the offering from CZ. Check that one out, too. My plans got shelved because of cost…...
     
  7. therewolf

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    What's the planned usage here?

    While .308 isn't an optimal 1000 yard caliber ballistically,

    with the proper weight bullet and load, it reaches out beyond

    600 yards just fine.

    Is this for hunting, or target competitions in the desert, or what?

    I'm usually a little reluctant to jump into a new caliber, without

    good cause. What caliber are you shooting now?
     
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  8. AlotOfPayne

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    I didn't just shoot his rifle me and my brother in law are the only ones in my family that are into firearms. So we always went to the range together. I shot it a lot and squawk wanted information about the guns. I seen that guns performance with tons of rounds through it I seen the accuracy so I gave him the information on how it performed because that's the only gun on the list I've shot and had lots of experience with just because it wasn't my gun doesn't mean I don't know anything about it. Yeah you can go to the manufactures website and find out its a 20" heavy barrel hogue stock with a 1-10 twist but I think he already knows that since he wanted a barrel under 20" I figured he wanted to know hey has anyone shot it and I gave him advice on its performance because no one was replying to his thread. Now squawk my brother in laws gun was accurate but his is the only rem 700 sps tactical I dealt with, I don't know how true it is but he said I think I must of got a really good barrel because he said he has seen a lot of other groups from other people's exact stock gun and they weren't as great. That could be shooters error and also every barrel is different so since you have a reloading table set up for 308 I'm pretty confident you can fine tune it and it will do well.
     
  9. chloeshooter

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    I've never heard of fishing with a .308! You learn something new every day :p
     
  10. AlotOfPayne

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    Sorry John deer if that come off rude didn't mean it that way. I just didn't want squawk thinking I was giving him foggy information because I didn't personally own that firearm.
     
  11. AlotOfPayne

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    I'm also not a brand fan I haven't shot the other two guns so I have no information on them I would find out as much as you can about all three wether it be on this forum or another or youtube reviews there are some good quality reviews out there
     
  12. John_Deer

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    There is no offense taken. The OP might really be a little confused. In one breath he wants to shoot 1,000 yards. In the next breath he wants a short barrel. To make a 1,000 yard shot you need that extra 200 fps that a 24" barrel gives the shooter.
     
  13. AlotOfPayne

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    Ya that's what I said in my first post because I think he likes the look of it being short. I told him he would need the extra inches.
     
  14. JonM

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    This.

    A 16 18 or 20 is only good to about 800-900yards before it goes subsonic under most conditions. 24 will just BARELY get a scootch over 1000. If you want a 1000 yard gun you really need a different caliber.

    Other than the range. The slower a round goes the more time the wind has to monkey with the trajectory and the 308 past 600 yards isn't going very fast so there is a lot of time for the wind to push it around.
     
  15. Mercator

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    I think you got the best of the bunch on your list. I have tested them all in 223, except the FP in 308 also. From a practical standpoint, it is a toss up. You can reach out to 1000 yards. I did not try, because it is a lot of work, these are heavy carbines but too small for long range with a touchy many-x scope. I mean you have to time your heartbeats, let alone your breathing.

    Triggers - the AccuTrigger vs Mark X = toss up for me. Try both if you can. My go to is a 700 today. Safety - I like Savagr top slider vs Remi lever. Can't remember how the stocks compare, but it is a small deal, both brands have many drop in variants, esp the Remys. That's all I can think of right now.
     
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  16. Squawk

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    .223/5.56

    But it's mostly for plinking/fun. Want something for more serious target shooting. And as I said, I have access to .308 reloads.
     
  17. Squawk

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    I realize it would be pushing it to shoot any of these rifles out to 1000 yards. Truth be told, I would mostly be shooting at 400 yards or less. Once in a while out to 600 or 700 yards. I recently found a range in Kentucky about an hour and a half from my house that has a 1000 yard range. I would be shooting there 3-4 times a year.

    I know other calibers are better suited for 1000 yard shooting (300 win mag, 338 lapua, etc.) but I'm moving up to .308 from .223 because it seems like the logical next step and I have access to a .308 reloading bench. Trying to keep cost of ammo down to minimum. More money for glass and rifle upgrades.
     
  18. Squawk

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    [QUO TE=Mercator;1488708]I think you got the best of the bunch on your list. I have tested them all in 223, except the FP in 308 also. From a practical standpoint, it is a toss up. You can reach out to 1000 yards. I did not try, because it is a lot of work, these are heavy carbines but too small for long range with a touchy many-x scope. I mean you have to time your heartbeats, let alone your breathing.

    Triggers - the AccuTrigger vs Mark X = toss up for me. Try both if you can. My go to is a 700 today. Safety - I like Savagr top slider vs Remi lever. Can't remember how the stocks compare, but it is a small deal, both brands have many drop in variants, esp the Remys. That's all I can think of right now.[/QUOTE]

    Id be getting a mil dot scope. Would like to learn range finding, and MOA adjustment. Trying to learn more about Kentucky windage and other environmental effects on ballistics.
    Would mostly shoot 175 gr Sierra Matchking bullets.

    I don't want to say I've learned all I can about 223 but this round was designed for less distance than I want to shoot at.
    1000 yard shots are a pipedream for me. More than likely, most shooting will be done at 500-750 yards.
     
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  19. CamoToe1

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    I had my .308 rifle decision boiled down to 2 guns. The Rem 700 AAC and a Savage Hog Hunter. Very similar in concept. 20" heavy barrels, threaded muzzles, adjustable triggers.

    What made the decision for me was holding each one at my lgs. The balance, fit, finish and feel of the guns were night and day. I came home with the Remington even though it was $275.00 more.

    The savage models you are comparing are probably very different from the HH, but shoulder them before you make your decision. Savage 10's and Remington 700's are both good shooter's out of the box. Pick the one that feels best to you.

    I'm completely satisfied with my Remington. ImageUploadedByFirearms Talk1390431030.994275.jpg

    50 yds 5 shots factory ammo
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    Let us know what you choose.
     
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  20. therewolf

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    I like .223/5.56. A 5.56 barreled rifle has the utility of both rounds,

    much like a .308/7.62X51. One must assume you are doing fairly well

    at closer ranges, and are looking to .308 to reach out. I have to agree

    perhaps you may be seeking the longer barreled rifle, for the additional

    MV.

    Access to reloads in the proper caliber is nothing to sneeze at.