Did i do the right thing?

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by jeffkaiser1989, Nov 12, 2013.

  1. jeffkaiser1989

    jeffkaiser1989 New Member

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    So last night me and my wife went walking up to the gas station to get a pack of smokes i was open carrying my sig. We get down to the store with no issues and head back as we are walking up the driveway to the apartment buildings i notice a couple of people hanging out in the courtyard next to our building i will post pics of where when i have the ability to take them. Anyway we decide to goto the back door to get inside the building and enter the complex. As we walk in i see one guy enter the door at the other end of the stairs and i hear the door behind us open i tell her to run inside our apartment and lock the door and call 911.

    As i am cornered here i place my hand a few inchs above my firearm on my hip and tell these guys to back off and leave we have called the cops who will be here shortly. I forgot to mention we at the top of the stairs with one person behind me at the base and one person in front of me. I didnt want to enter my apartment as there wasnt enough time to get in and lock the door before they could bum rush me and get inside. When the guys dont move i place my hand on my gun and click the safety off and i tell them again to leave i glance out the corner of my eye to the guy behind me and stare down the guy in front of me by now we can hear the sirens. The guy behind me blots out the back door the guy in front still isnt moving. I dont remember the conversations that took place between us i remember i was scared for my wifes life, my stepson's life and my own. He ended up backing away down the stairs and bolted out the door.

    Did i do the right thing? Should i have just drawn and fired? Should i have just bolted into my apartment with my wife? The cops took my statement and my description of the guys and left saying if we needed them again to call and they would make a note of our address and what happened. I keep thinking i should have done something differently but at the time i was more concerned with protecting my wife and step son.
     
  2. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    As long as you kept a reactionary distance it sounds like you did fine. No one was killed you called the cops your family was safe.
     

  3. towboater

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    I just took a self defence class and my best friend now is distance. Sounds like u had a decent control of the situation. No one died and ur families safe. Another example of a bad situation defused with a firearm.
     
  5. Rick1967

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    Sounds like you did pretty well to me. A staircase is not the place to get into a fight. Glad you didn't have to shoot anyone. But good that you had your gun in case you would have needed it.
     
  6. JeeperSC

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    I think you did the right thing; not sure I would have done anything differently. I'm glad you didn't go inside your apartment because then they would know exactly where you live.
     
  7. WebleyFosbery38

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    I think you did well Jeff, not shooting if you dont need to is easier than living with the shooting when you question before hand if its necessary. Sounds to me like they caught your drift and likely drifted off to somewhere that they felt safer! If this is normal where you live, it might be time to look elsewhere for a safer location! If it isnt normal, your probably OK. Glad to hear it turned out well!
     
  8. AR10

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    Your neighborhood after dark seems like a better place to shop for convenience store items might be at 2pm rather than 2am.

    Getting out of a jam is not ideal, staying out of a jam is always superior.

    Open carry. Of the items on your person, a bad guy might be interested in, do you suppose a gun would be of interest to them?

    Your money, do you keep hundred dollar bills out in the open, hanging from your belt, like a stripper has money hanging from a g string? Of course you don't, that would be tipping your hand to the bad element of your private business.

    Your gun is how much more valuable than a $100 bill? Four, five, six times more valuable? More?

    What are the possibilities, the likelihood, your sidearm did not protect you from attack, as much as triggered your attack?

    The bad guys now know where you live, and can watch you come and go. Your next trip to work, where they know you do not open carry, could see your apartment attacked as they once again try to score a handgun theft, along with whatever else they can find that looks interesting to them.

    When you play card games, do you show your hand to other players? You do in your personal life.

    Concealed carry, while not pushing the rights of our second amendment, as if to say, I am owed this freedom, does afford a much greater level of privacy.

    My advice, what it is worth, take all targets off your back. The world is looking for targets.

    Find an NRA Refuse to be a Victim class in your area, and both of you take it.

    They also offer Basic Pistol, Personal Protection Inside The Home, and Personal Protection Outside The Home.

    With classes like those under your belt, your wife and yourself will better understand the mindset of the criminal element and you can better protect yourselves.
     
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  9. GTX63

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    I wouldn't have a good feeling after that. You have no ID on these guys, they just disappeared into the dark. If you were a random target before, you may still be in their sights after this. I would not want to have my family living in a place where I always had to look over my shoulder. Me thinks it is time to relocate.
     
  10. eatmydust

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    It sounds like you did the correct thing.

    I would seriously consider moving to a different part of town, or even better, out of town all together. It doesn't sound like the area is going to be safe going forward.

    Don't just consider your safety, or your family's safety with you around, what if you had not been there for your wife?
     
  11. AR10

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    Agreed. And again, while breaking leases, looking for another place to live, packing and lugging boxes, did your Open carry gun save you, or cause all the fear, headaches, and expense?
     
  12. chloeshooter

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    If you would have 'shot and fired' in this situation, you would be guilty of manslaughter. Minimum. You do not get to shoot someone just because you are scared or because they are in your apartment building hallway

    If they rushed you, different story. Personally, at whatever point I felt a threat to my (or my spouse's) life occur, I would have shot the bastards. But it would not have been legal in most states that I am aware of
     
  13. therewolf

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    I will defend my home and my family, but I don't want to kill anybody,

    they don't want to die. JMHO, I hope I do as well as you did, when

    the chips are down. You handled it without even drawing. That's

    double tough.
     
  14. GTX63

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    One more point on these guys hanging around in the courtyard. There is an ever increasing problem with multi unit housing/apartment complexes in that with today's society, being on site doesn't always mean they are on a lease. Lots of ne'er do wells have girlfriends, buds, mothers, cousins, etc that pay their own lease. These guys don't, but they use their places as meets and crash houses and for business deals. You may seem them come and go most any day, but with anonymity.
     
  15. AIKIJUTSU

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    You did OK. Nobody got hurt and you and your wife got home OK. You were lucky the police showed up that quickly. In many places it would be 45 minutes to an hour, and then they'd make their reports, call the coroner, and be on their way. I'm not an advocate of open carry, but maybe in this case it helped save your bacon. If it weren't for that deterrent they might have jumped you.
     
  16. JonM

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    You did the right thing up to the point where you didn't file an actual report/complaint with the police. Go down to the local substation and tell them you want to fill out a complaint/report of what happened and get the names and numbers of the responding officers included as possible future witnesses to their portion of what occured.

    The thing that was drilled into me at a dna level going through my time as an mp was "if YOU did not write it down, it did not happen."
     
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  17. jeffkaiser1989

    jeffkaiser1989 New Member

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    JonM. I will be heading down to fill out some paperwork here is a moment. To just be clear i have my CHL i just alternate depending on my attire and mood. This time i did open carry with a jacket on and my pistol exposed. Most of the time i just throw my jacket on normaly and it covers my gun. Did it save me or cause this to happen? Can anybody really give this question a 100% yes or no answer? It doesnt matter the situation ended and i didnt have to shoot somebody. The wife and I are exploring a different neighborhood trying to find a place for rent so we can feel a little safer. Thank you for all your input and advice it is more valuable than you know.
     
  18. JonM

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    The truth about oc is most people don't even notice. Criminal types like you encountered are even less observant and intelligent than the norm. If they were smart they wouldn't be out harrassing people. I don't think it mattered either way between oc and ccw. From your account of what happened it was the police sirens that made the diff. Your firearm almost certainly slowed the attack by its physical presence once you informed the scumbags you had a gun and the police were on the way.

    What you did was a textbook example of correct use of force. You got family to safety called 911 then escalated to verbal then presentation of deadly force. Once your hand went to firearm even though it was still holstered that was presentation of deadly force. Once the threat retreated you did not pursue and allowed the police to do their jobs. That's how its supposed to work in a perfect situation resolution.
     
  19. Mercator

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    Hard for me to picture the exact layout. You did not say whether you had indicated to them that you were armed. Sounds like they were cool customers initially, until their better instincts kicked in. I think you were extremely lucky. They were not armed enough or drugged enough to beat you to the draw. Your risk assessment failed when you went out first, and again when you proceeded to reenter knowing they could box you in. You should have stayed away from the building and called the cops first. I hope you don't take this the wrong way. This is an honest answer to the OP.
     
  20. jeffkaiser1989

    jeffkaiser1989 New Member

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    if i did something wrong than i want to know what i did and how to correct it. I suppose you have a good point. I didnt verbally say i was armed i simply put my hand near it. I guess i should have said i am armed. Thank you for your input.