DHS Checkpoints

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by clr8ter, Apr 2, 2014.

  1. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    I just finished watching the You Tube video: "Top DHS checkpoint refusals". Seems to me that even though these people were eventually allowed to go, they were playing a dangerous game. Now, I agree with the sentiment that the govt. has too much power, etc., but isn't some of this necessary? If we don't want potential pest-carrying fruit in our country ruining our crops, or illegal immigrants running around, how are we supposed to do that?
    There appears to be a VERY fine line between what they CAN do legally & illegally, and what they CAN'T or WON'T push when questioned on it. How foes one tell the difference? ON of my potential problems with the situation in the video was they appeared to be checkpoints WITHIN the US. Which sounds wrong, and could be the basis for the refusal to cooperate. The video was vague on whether this was the case, or not.

    How do you "respect the authority" yet refuse it at the same time? A lot of this has been ingrained in us since we were little kids, and it just feels very dangerous to not do what the authorities say. But as I grow older, I feel more and more that a lot of that authority is abused, or not legal in the first place. But never forget, ultimately, they hold more power at that moment than you do.

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  2. seancslaughter

    seancslaughter New Member

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    Those videos are usually done at what are known as internal checkpoints which are checkpoints that are usually about 30+ miles inside our border. While I understand what they are trying to do I feel they go about it the wrong way and vice versa with CBP there is no reason for checkpoints on American soil except on the actual border.
     

  3. WonderingMind

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    I hit a boarder patrol check point near my house nearly every day and my wife goes through two every day that she works. She always complies since she is afraid to get beaten or killed. I will answer the question am I a citizen, but I always refuse to answer anymore questions siting my status as a citizen. I guess it helps that most days I have a tie on and am driving a car that is insured for $90,000.00 and looks it.
     
  4. JWagner

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    They have a 100 mile wide band along the borders in which the fourth amendment is suspended, giving them quite an advantage over you. So with all this power, just how many "terrorists" have they caught? One would think it would make the headlines from time to time. But not much gets mentioned. Perhaps they will make a drug bust or find a DUI or two.
     
  5. Franklin1995

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    I completely disagree with the checkpoints inside our borders. They have no right to force us to stop and answer their questions. Those borders operate on the idea that everyone is guilty until they prove they are innocent. I believe in "innocent until proven guilty", and thus think that those checkpoints are ridiculous. Most people don't care though, and so they'll continue to do it. If everyone refused to answer, they would close down those checkpoints in a heartbeat.
     
  6. Doc3402

    Doc3402 New Member

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    So how would you protect our borders?
     
  7. John_Deer

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    I hear about DHS catching "terrorists" all the time. None of these terrorists belong to any organizations. They are people who are weak minded. DHS agents pretend to be terrorist recruiters and they find weak, lonely people to set up as terrorists. DHS has never found a real organized, sleeper cell.
     
  8. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    This is what I have heard. I WOULD like to hear from DHS on the results of these roadside interrogation centers within the U.S.A.
     
  9. Franklin1995

    Franklin1995 New Member

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    If it's actually on the border, then checkpoints are fine. But these are checkpoints well inside the United States. People who never travel into Mexico are stopped daily simply for traveling throughout the country.

    *EDIT not to mention, the fact that they let you go if you refuse to answer their questions long enough proves that they don't really have the right to stop you. If they did, they would detain you and arrest you. Instead, people are just willing to give up information. I don't want to give off the wrong impression that I'm okay with people illegally immigrating into the US. I think we need much stricter policies and need to start kicking people out. But forcing people to stop on their way to work or on their vacation inside the US is wrong.
     
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  10. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    For Cripe's sake, you think they would know the locals, and just give them a sticker for the windshield, and a special lane to go right through.

    According to who? And, like Franklin said, if they REALLY had an advantage, why would they not detain or arrest you? And, like I said, what you should REALLY be concerned about is one of those guys doing something which he/she has no authority to do. If it comes down to that, which side is the govt. going to side with?
     
  11. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Seancslaughter, what is CBP?
     
  12. Doc3402

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    I understand what you are saying, but look at the reality for a minute. Illegal immigrants are most often smuggled across on foot. At some point inside our borders they will usually meet a vehicle. It's unrealistic to expect them to hike more than 100 miles and then hop a ride. Logic tells me that they will be in a motor vehicle long before then. Why not put the checkpoint where they have a better chance of catching them and whoever is doing the transporting? Setting up at the border is about as useless as a Pepto Bismol stand at a bulemics convention.
     
  13. seancslaughter

    seancslaughter New Member

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    Customs and border patrol


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  14. widowmaker

    widowmaker New Member

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    You just try to smuggle apples or lettuce into The People Republic of California and see what happens to all you vegie smugglers.
    Our borders are safe from you
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  15. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I thought Odumbo had put a stop to the legal export of his potential voters? :p
     
  16. JTJ

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    It is called training. They are training citizens to quietly submit to police authority. The TSA is doing the same thing.
     
  17. WonderingMind

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    I rarely see the same guys more then once, when I do see someone I recognize they usually either wave me though or want to chat for a few seconds if there is no traffic behind me. In that case it is usually something like, nice car or how you doing today..

    If they had a sticker or bypass program I don't know if I would bother since there is no way in heck it would be free and frankly I give the Gooberment Thugs too much of my money anyhow. Though I have had some negative comments on my license plate number from the anti gun BP types.

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  18. Franklin1995

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    Because if they're allowed to set up a checkpoint 30 miles away, they're going to try to set one up 60 miles away and use the excuse "we're already doing this" Then it's 90 miles away, then 120, then before you know it they're going to be everywhere. I just don't like seeing the government get a foothold into invading our rights. Governments and politicians are inherently greedy, they always want more and more power. And they realize that the only way to get more power is to do it slowly. I hate to pull out the "Hitler" thing, but he didn't wake up one morning and immediately start murdering people. He introduced different policies gradually, and then once he had complete control he started to kill.

    Another thing that we should ask is how effective are these checkpoints? I honestly don't know the answer to that. And setting up at the border isn't quite as useless as that pepto bismol stand :p
     
  19. Jamesaritchie

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    The simple fact is, we don't have to protect our borders to stop 99.9% of illegal immigrants. What we have to do is make it illegal for them to work here, and place massive fines, and possible jail tyime, on any business that knowing hires illegal immigrants. As long as they can work here, there's no way in hell we can stop them from coming in. The moment they can't work here, they'll stop coming in, and those already here will have to go home.

    As for checkpoints, I don't respect authority just because it's authority. The moment authority steps over the line and violates the Constitution and my rights, it's tyranny, and I'm going to give that authority as difficult a time as possible, while still doing my best to stay out of jail.