Devil Dog Seeking specific advice on mount and rings

Discussion in 'Optics & Mounts' started by AndyhpuV, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. AndyhpuV

    AndyhpuV New Member

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    First post, a bit about myself; Im a Corporal in the Marine Corps with 5th Marines in Camp Pendleton, CA. Having said that Im no stranger to shooting (3rd award expert), but I have never owned a Rifle (though I do have a pistol;Glock 17).

    I have chosen a Rifle: Weatherby Vanguard synthetic, 30-06 (the 5+1):
    Synthetic | Weatherby.com

    And I have also chosen a scope: Blackhawk 1" Tactical (the 3.5-10x50)
    Cabela's: Blackhawk!® 1" Tactical Riflescopes

    I want versatility out of this setup, by which I mean, I want to have the ability to go hunting, as well as long distance shooting (thus the reason for the 3.5-10 mildot)

    Here is where you gentlemen (and ladies?) come in, if you will;
    I would like some help in choosing the proper mount and rings for this rifle and scope. Im looking for quality equipment here, so price really is not an issue (say 150-250 for both? But i will pay more if your advice tells me so)

    If I wasnt clear on something let me know and I will further explain.

    Thank you all very much in advance, I look forward to the knowledge.
     
  2. AusLach

    AusLach New Member

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    Welcome from Australia Andy!

    I have a set of matching Leupold rings and bases on my .223 Vanguard and they have served me well. I have a two piece base set, however with the long action that you have, a one-piece base may add some extra rigidity and accuracy to your set-up. No doubt there will be others along shortly to help you out and give you some other options.

    I hope you enjoy your stay here :)
     

  3. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Welcome to the Forum Marine! Thank you for your service and *respect* to you from the House of JD. Stay safe and keep the Valkyries guessing your scent. ;)

    You picked a nice rifle, I don't know much about your scope choice, I have to be honest. But I love a good boltgun platform and The Weatherby Vanguard is the same as the Howa 1500, which is an EXCELLENT action and .30-06 is, of course, THE RIFLEMAN'S CALIBER, so you made a great choice in my mind.

    They are not cheap, they are not common and they are not your Dad's scope and base.....

    Badger Ordnance makes some excellent quality scopes and their 20MOA Scope Base is what I have on Mjolnir.

    There are other options, but Badger Ord will give you 110% of what you pay for and it will DEFINITELY take care of you, no matter what "field" you are in.

    JD
     
  4. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper New Member

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    Welcome to the forum Andy and thank you for your service![​IMG]
    Swing by the Introductions section when you get a chance so the rest of the forum can say "Hi":cool:

    I really like the EGW mounts I've used, well made and rock solid IMHO
    EGW 1-Piece Picatinny-Style Base Howa, Weatherby Vanguard Matte Long Action - MidwayUSA $59.99
    Those will allow you to use quality fixed rings like
    Leupold 1" PRW (Permanent Weaver-Style) Rings Matte Medium - MidwayUSA $43.99
    or set your scopes in quick detachable rings like Leupold 1" QRW Quick-Release Weaver-Style Rings Matte Medium - MidwayUSA $54.99 if you have multiple scopes and wish to switch from one scope setup to another for target/hunting and back with basically no loss of zero
     
  5. AndyhpuV

    AndyhpuV New Member

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    Solid info gents. Links and prices much much appreciated.

    looks like im going to be doing some comparison work.
     
  6. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Welcome to the FTF community Andy and thank you for your service.
     
  7. AndyhpuV

    AndyhpuV New Member

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    Looking at the Badger ord. site, few questions;

    1) how do I know which mm rings (30, 34, etc) to get for the scope im buying?

    2)as far as height, is it personal preference or is there a functional aspect to getting say high rings over standard size?
     
  8. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    What is the body size of your scope? 1"? 30mm? 34mm? The rings lock to the body, so you only have to order based on the specs from your scope.

    Personal preference is a rule, but a qualified gunsmith will tell you what sized you need. Talk to your armorer, he can assess what you need.

    For me? I have the mid size rings. I have a bit of a high cheek weld, but I also survey the landscape with my naked eye, so I prefer an adjustable cheek piece.

    On a stock stick I can get away with the low rings, but they do play havoc if you have a wide, adjustable objective when you work the bolt.

    I would HIGHLY recommend you get someone who can measure how you address the rifle to make sure you get the right size rings, as I am SURE you will make the most of it.

    JD
     
  9. AusLach

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    The scope you have chosen has a 1" diameter maintube, so your ring diameter will also be 1". Many European scopes and scopes that are used in tactical or low-light situations will have a larger diameter maintube to assist in light transmission, so will need rings that are larger in diameter.

    On a hunting rifle, it is recommended to place your scope as low to the bore as possible without the objective lens actually touching the barrel. You have chosen a 50mm objective lens, so depending on the base, you may either need standard rings or high. When your line of sight is closer to the bore, reduce the amount of parallax between Point of Aim (POA) and Point of Impact (POI). This permits accurate shots at short range when hunting, while still allowing for accurate and repeatable shots at longer range.

    *Damn it JD!*
     
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2011
  10. AndyhpuV

    AndyhpuV New Member

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    Sounds like the best thing to do would be physically trying setups until i found the perfect one, which is difficult since im going to be ordering these things online.

    I might take JD's advice and drive over to my local armorer and see what he has to say about my setup.

    this is a bit naive, as im using the old "since its made by the same company it must work better together" but..
    Cabela's: Blackhawk Six-Hole Tactical 1-Inch Weaver Rings

    insights, ideas on these rings?

    im liking this for my mount, though the reviews are spotty(something about slightly short screws..):
    EGW 1-Piece Picatinny-Style Base Howa, Weatherby Vanguard Matte Long Action - MidwayUSA

    thanks Gatekeeper
     
  11. Yunus

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    I might be off the mark because I have a howa and it could be different. However I suggest avoiding a full rail. It can get in the way of an ejecting cartridge and makes cleaning and inspecting the chamber more difficult.

    I think you will be happiest buying locally so you can try before you buy and see how different height mounts may affect your cccling of the action and ability to easily access the chamber.
     
  12. Dillinger

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    :confused::confused:

    How is a top mounted rail with CANT causing problems with your cleaning?? :confused:
     
  13. Gatoragn

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    These are my favorite mounts and rings for my hunting rifles. Since you have picked a 50 mm objective, you will need the "high" rings for the scope to clear the barrel.
     
  14. AndyhpuV

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    Good news gents, purchased everything today; went with Leopold two piece bases and rings. Picking her up the 9th, pictures to come.

    Once again, thank you for all your help guys
     
  15. Yunus

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    The Picatinny rail in the post before mine seems to fit directly above the chamber. It can make it more difficult to get a cleaning pad into the chamber, you can still easily clean it with a brush from where the bolt enters but to get into the nooks and crannies it can be more difficult than 2 separate rails. Even the scope itself on my setup makes it more difficult to get a cleaning pad into some areas of the chamber.
     
  16. jpattersonnh

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    I'll chime in a little late. A 50mm front has a big bell, making for a very high scope. Not really user freindly. As far as bases, Burris makes a heavier set of bases and rings for less $$. Your rifle choice is VG, but made by Howa, which again would have saved $$.
    Howa 1500 HB M&P in .308 w/ a 3-12x42mmAO sightron SII, now the big sky.
    [​IMG]

    BTW, I hate the word Tactical!
     
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  17. Oohrah

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    Hey Marine, also did some time with the 5th, in the big number one 1st Divison. Training Individual and Advanced Combat just north of the 5th. Many years back a BAR man until serving as a scout/sniper,with recon
    Nov.57 to Nov65. Can't go wrong with old Redfield single piece mount with added windage adjustment in the rear ring base. Very sturdy and used in the Corps on both 03A4 and the Winchester Model 70 I was issued. Both of these sniper rifles were in the 30-06 caliber, but might wear one of a half a dozen different scopes. In those days scopes were not as sturdy, and fogging on many bothersome. Most trouble free scopes for me was the Lyman Alaska and a Redfield fixed 10 X. The Alaska was a lesser magnification, I think 2.5 or 3X. However, the higher magnification just gave a little more clarity. Semper Fi my brother, and good luck with your choice of firearm.
     
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  18. mrm14

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    O.K. like JD said and I concour to use Badger Ordance rings and their +20moa picatinny base. Definately use a one piece base for the long distance stuff.

    I use a Premiere Reticles 5-25X56mm scope for my 1000 yard rig and the Badger Ordance Rings I use are 1-1/4" high. You should be able to use a tad shorter rings with your 50mm objective.

    I'd call Badger Ordance tech department and they should guide you to the proper set of scope rings and +20 moa base for your particular scope and rifle. They're real nice folks to deal with.

    I'm using the McCanns Industires +20 moa Picatinny scope mount and will be using the Badger Ordance mount on my new switch barrel 1000 yard rifle.
     
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  19. AusLach

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    Too late guys :p