Delawareans another push for gun control in your state

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Bigcountry02, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    This is pushing the threshold! If you have a so-called qualified mental health providers (Psychiatrists to school counselors) that are anti-gun, period. They will call the police because of their anti-gun views and this will spiral out of control.

    WTF!

    Read the article.

    http://www.delawareonline.com/artic...047/Biden-renews-push-gun-bill?nclick_check=1

    Attorney General Beau Biden is lobbying the state Senate to reconsider a controversial gun-control bill that was defeated on the final days of the General Assembly in June, a victim partly of intense, conservative grass-roots opposition.

    Biden’s bill, sponsored by Democratic Rep. Michael Barbieri in the House, establishes a process to ban Delawareans from owning a gun if a mental health professional suspects they present a danger to themselves or others. The legislation would require qualified mental health providers, from psychiatrists to school counselors, to call police if they believe a patient presents such a danger.

    The proposal received just six yes votes in the Senate on June 27, a massive defeat for Biden, after clearing the House in a 40-1 vote on May 14. Even one co-sponsor, Republican Sen. Greg Lavelle, voted against the bill when it reached the Senate floor. Biden and Lavelle are now trading criticisms over the proposal.:)
     
  2. manta

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    Sounds sensible to me. Would I want someone that said that they wanted to go on a mass shooting spree to legally obtain firearms NO. Obviously they could get them illegally but why make it easy for them. To me allowing someone that is known to be a danger to themselves and others legally obtain firearms doesn't make sense. I am sure others will disagree , just my opinion.
     

  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    and just who is qualified to make these decisions that will adversely affect a person's ability to own a firearm?

    i hardly think someone who is anti-gun to start with is objective to be making such decisions in the first place.

    what qualities would we have them make such determinations based on what?

    BTW, it's already illegal for a person to possess or buy a firearm if they are judged to be mentally defective in the first place. but it has to go through a court of law and be presided over and ruled by a judge.

    this stupid law would put more power in the hands of those who have an agenda to fulfill and not actually keep guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them in the first place. too much power in the hands of small minded people who haven't any common sense to begin with.

    but you are free to disagree if you want to.
     
  4. chloeshooter

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    while I wholeheartedly believe we need to keep firearms away from dangerous people, defining what exactly qualifies as 'mentally ill' is a scary proposition. Heck there are people who believe wanting to own a gun in the first place makes you mentally ill! And that if you wish to carry it can only mean you are a paranoid delusional. As others mentioned, legislation such as this gives a lot of power to people NOT QUALIFIED to make such important decisions (Lou Holtz, ex-Notre Dame football coach says it best: "you know what they call the guy that graduates last in medical school? Doctor!")

    I went into my doctor last week for an ear infection, and before doing anything else I was asked "do you feel safe at home?". I was tempted to say "Hell yea, I have a S&W MP15, a 12 gauge shotgun and an SR40 all ready to go!" but realized that kind of kidding could only hurt me. So I said "yes, I feel very safe at home".
     
  5. Daoust_Nat

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    I agree with this. Using the logic that the guy with the biggest club determines fair, in this case it could be a gun grabber. It would be so easy to "fairly" determine all who have a firearm, or want 0ne, are not right mentally. Kind of like Joseph Heller's Catch 22.

    Notice there was no mention of any way for one judged dangerous to have themselves adjudicated cured, and get their rights back.

    Another bad idea that will do far more harm then good.
     
  6. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    kind of like the fox guarding the chicken coop!

    IMO, there is no way someone with an anti-gun agenda could be objective in making decisions about the mental stability of others in regards to their gun rights and ownership.
     
  7. deadsp0t

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    I don't see how we can keep having these shootings, find out it's mentally unstable people yet do NOTHING.. I don't know what's to be done but this can't keep happening..
     
  8. 1911love

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    A lot of these crazies are committing their first crime, the mass shooting. We can't punish them before they commit a crime. The ones that we catch as having a great chance of hurting others need to be adjudicated mentally defective by a JUDGE, not a counselor at school/work or some other unqualified/biased person.

    Of course not all will be "caught", that's why you eliminate GFZs and allow people to be armed. These are common sense solutions that are proven to work, it's just the people with the power to implement them are rufusing to listen. These people are to blame for every death that could've been prevented using true common sense, not the fake "common sense" of the antis.

    But I digress, there ought to be a law to stop all these shootings. The previous sentence is in green, I'm on a mobile so we'll have to pretend.
     
  9. deadsp0t

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    Until something is done that the pro gun community approves of then these shootings will continue to be blamed on us and our weapons.
    GFZ's are popping up at a much higher rate then before and much faster then then few communities that are doing away with them, this does not appear to be an approach that is ACTUALLY working.

    I'm not saying what you're suggesting wouldn't work. What I am saying, is things are going the other direction and faster the other direction by the day. If something doesn't change then the attacks will continue and the anti crowd will continue to grow.
     
  10. 1911love

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    GFZs and the anti-gun crowd are to blame. What should we do, exile them?

    Why should we do something when it's not our fault? We have come up with REAL solutions, and all they want to do is make more laws that don't work. I for one am for exile to a gun-free country of their choosing.
     
  11. nitestalker

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    The first mass school murders were committed on May 18th 1927. There were 38 lifes taken by a disgruntled farmer-politician. The public schools continue to resist having armed guards inside schools. The Teachers Unions instead work for 1930s style gun laws.
    After JFK was assassinated in Dallas the public and government increased presidential security by millions of dollars. School districts and teachers unions refuse to budget one 9MM Glock pistol per school. :eek:
     
  12. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    gee, my guns and myself haven't attacked anyone.:(

    lets persecute guns and gun owners simply because they have an item and they could be used for nefarious purposes.

    i guess we could enlist scientists to come up with some sort of DNA study to test people to see if they would be prone to violence and should be denied the ability to own guns. but let not stop there, lets simply throw them in prison because they could actually use anything and start killing people.

    lets live in he world of the Minority Report and prosecute people before they actually commit a violent deed.

    lets invent a time travel device and go back in time and kill those who commit violent deeds before they can do them. or go back in time and kill them before they are born.

    man has been killing man since the dawn of time. man has been killing for thousnads of years before guns were invented. even guns were to disappear or had never even been invented, man would still be killing man. so the gun is only an instrument that has been employed to do the job in a more efficient manner, not the means of desire, for that resides in the heart of the man that does the deed.

    but please explain what compromises we gun owners should make to make non-gun owners and the gun hating liberals feel safer with us owning them?
    what liberties should we forsake to gain their trust?
    how much more of gun rights should we allow them to take so they feel better?
     
  13. 1911love

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    They won't be happy until the 2A is abolished and the government has a monopoly on force.
     
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  14. Warrior1256

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    I agree with you 150%. Nothing I can add to make this better.
     
  15. Rick1967

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    If every time some nutcase went into a school or a mall and started shooting...they were shot and killed by an armed citizen, this crap would stop in a hurry. No need for judge or jury. You start shooting innocent people...you deserve to die. End of story.
     
  16. alsaqr

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    i did read the article. It's very poorly written and long. The proposed law would require a judge's ruling that the gunowner was a threat to himself or others. The NRA dropped its opposition to the previous bill after it was amended.

    There have been several high profile mass murders committed by wild eyed nutcases who were never reported to proper authority. Had folks gotten off their lazy rears and reported the nutcases who shot Gabby Giffords, murdered several of her party, and murdered folks in that CO theater our Second Amendment rights would be more secure today. Had Nancy Lanza woke up and realized that she was coddling and abetting a true monster those kids and teachers may be alive today.
     
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  17. RaySendero

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    common sense discussion


    Yes, Let's have a common sense discussion:

    Ok on the above - With a meaningful comprise!
    IF, I suspect someone to be a liberal idiot and report them as such -
    They could no longer vote and be a danger to themselves and others.
     
  18. texaswoodworker

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    Exactly what do you want us to do? Concede to the antigunners? Give them the laws they want? Screw that! We have given them enough, so it's time they start giving.

    Our ideas are sound, and could very well work. It's not our fault if the antigunners are too stupid to realize this. We WILL NOT give in to laws that won't work, and will only serve to restrict us and make the antigunners happy.
     
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  19. John_Deer

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    The media is the major problem in mass shootings. Until the media is willing to stop selling us out for a good story we are going to have mass murders. No one in China can have a gun. That didn't stop an idiot from knifing 21 kids in classroom. Dead or injured is dead or injured no matter what weapon is used. A mentally unstable person can do as much or more damage with a brush ax as a gun. The brush ax doesn't run out of ammo. Whats next? No more tools? I know! We can put a big tax on hand tools so only the rich can afford those dangerous hand tools.

    If the laws that are currently on the books were enforced we could stop a lot of violence. How many gun shops that lose way to much inventory have been shut down?
     
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