Deer rifle 270 vs 308

Discussion in 'Hunting Forum' started by Poink88, Mar 30, 2010.

  1. .270

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  2. .308

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  1. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    Looking for my first rifle...mainly for deer hunting. I live in Texas and most likely need one that can hit white tail as far as 250 yards thought I am not planning on taking those shots (yet).

    Recoil and ammo cost is a concern and I basically narrowed my choice to .270 or .308. I know 30-06 and magnums have a strong following for valid reasons but it is not for me.

    For the stated intended use, which of these 2 caliber is better?

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    Related to this poll...I am also looking at ($400-$600) rifles and my list is down to:
    Howa 1500
    Weatherby Vanguard
    Savage 10FP
    Remington 700 SPS

    Cost is a concern and would like to get the best value out of these choices and any comments/recommendations will be much appreciated. BTW, rifle is listed in order of (my) preference as of this posting.

    Thank you,
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    No opinion on caliber as this is better suited for those that hunt on a regular basis. I don't hunt deer, so this is out of my area of "opinion/expertise"

    However, of the models you have chosen to compare I would recommend both the Howa 1500 or the Weatherby Vanguard ( both of which are basically the same action - CNC manufactured in Japan by Howa ).

    Solid, flat bottomed action, easy to glass bed and free float. No flimsy plastic in place of bottom metal. Great safety & extractor. All around a very well built action that is a great base for any rifle or any build.

    Yes. I own a Howa 1500 and I have extensive experience with the platform, so consider me a fan.

    However, the Savage is a very good rifle action and it is made here in the USA.

    The Remington? Well. I guess I can say they are very popular and easy to work on.

    Best of luck.

    JD
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    On target at ranges less than 250 yds. No Texas deer will know the difference. The main thing to consider is the action. The .270 will require a long action (the same as the -06). The .308 can use the short action. The short action is lighter and a bit more rigid. I would go .308
     
  4. jpattersonnh

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    I agree w/ both of the above posts. .308, and a Howa 1500 short action.
    What are the odds!. I also have a .308 Howa 1500, but it is a heavy barrel.
    Savage is a VG rifle, but my Savage 110 handles more like a 2x4 as far as the stock goes. Don't get me wrong, if it were not a shooter it would have been long gone.
    I also was looking for a new Deer gun a year or so back. I ended up buying a New, without box, Browning 1981 BLR. I wanted a lever gun that could handle northeastern game at 200 yards. You are thinking the right way for your intended game and distance. Good for you!
    I can honestly say the Howa shoots anything I have fed it very well.
     
  5. stalkingbear

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    Of the 2 calibers/cartridges listed, I'm going to go against the flow and recommend the .270. It offers a flatter trajectory with no more recoil. You could zero it for 200 yards and have a point blank range of 275 yards. IMO you don't NEED a .30 bullet for deer-especially texas deer.
     
  6. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I cannot argue with Bear's choice. It really is a toss up and a no lose situation. Both are more than adequate for Texas deer. Ammo choice and availability is "probably" better in .308. .270 should be plentiful as it is a popular caliber in Texas. Really a toss up.
     
  7. Missileman

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    I'd go with the 270, mainly because it may give you a little more flexibility in the future. It would make a much better antelope gun if you ever choose to hunt those, and has probably taken as many elk as any round out there. Jack O'Conner was right about the 270. As far as guns--they are all good, but I would always favor the Rem 700--plus it's made in America. Just one person's opinion...
     
  8. stalkingbear

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    I'd like to interject another rifle into the selection. I have 1st hand personal experience with the Marlin XL-7/XS-7 and for a 300$ rifle they perform wayy in excess of what you'd expect for a rifle of that price point. That way you'll have more money for a better scope and more ammo.
     
  9. Cory2

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    I have fallen in love with both rounds here in TN but i voted for the .308 mainly because i wanted to level out the polls to 50 50. I would look around and see what prices you can find on the rifles and find the best deal for those 2 calibres then compare those 2 to see which is more accurate and less expensive and make the decision based on finances since both rounds are such good rounds the rifle itself will make a bigger difference.
    2 cents`
     
  10. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    I can buy both caliber for the same price (same gun) on most places that I checked. 270 ammo costs a little than .308 for comparable brand/type but on some cases they are prized the same. Cost between the two doesn't play in my decision making. There seems to be more ammo choices in .308 and availability is better.

    If I read right, 270 shoots flatter than 308. Given my lack of knowledge, I tend to equate that to better accuracy. Not sure which bullet is affected more by wind, deflection (if it hits something before the target), etc.
     
  11. Dillinger

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    How much "wind" are you anticpating shooting in??

    Because I would think a reasonable shot on an animal, at an ethical distance, in even "bad" conditions wouldn't be a factor.

    I have always heard that a white pie/paper plate, about 8" across, is a hit and kill shot for a North American deer. Maybe not perfect, but it will get the job done.

    For either one of these calibers, if dialed in correctly, to miss that target at 100 yards would be a pretty bad shot or SEVERE wind.

    An 8" group at 400 yards is roughly 2MOA, which is highly attainable for most rifles with just a little care and skill.
     
  12. Cory2

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    a 270 has a faster muzzle velocity than a 308 but weighs less as well so who knows which one is more affected by outside variables. however i do know that finding information on how to properly adjust for wind on a 308 is very readily available. imo i think you should go with the .308, it has alot more ammo available and you can buy high end ammo that has a muzzle velocity comparable to a 270 and since the round weighs more it will lose less speed at distance meaning it will actually shoot flatter the extra weigh will also reduce the affects of wind althought it will also have more recoil than a .270, its all up to what you want from your rifle and this is only my opinion on which is a better round
     
  13. jpattersonnh

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    OK, lets put this into real terms.
    150gr .270: MV, 2854fps.
    150yard zero: 2480fps 2047fp energy
    @ 100yards, +.7". @ 230yards, -4.2"

    150gr .308: MV, 2822fps.
    150 yard zero: 2500fps 2083fp energy
    @ 100 yards, +.7" . @ 230yards, -4.1"

    I'm not really sure how anyone can say which is best. The .308 does carry more velocity and energy over distance. But, it is really not to the shooters advantage as the difference is minor.
     
  14. Cory2

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    is 150 grain about the largest you can get in 270 and isnt 150 grain about the smallest you can get in .308?...yes im pretty sure it is. that makes a difference. what about a 180 grain .308?
     
  15. stalkingbear

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    To make it fair you need to compare the .270 with a 130 gr bullet compared to the .308's 150 gr bullet. That's the bullet most commonly used in the .270.



     
  16. laynejc

    laynejc New Member

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    Either one will do the trick, I am an avid deer hunter as well as my father. I shoot a .308 with 165gr hornady, he shoots a .270 with 140gr hornady. We have both made kills at 300 yards. A couple of years ago I switched to a .270WSM (my 308 is a heay barrel) I havent made any shots out to 300yards yet, but I am very pleased with its performance, but I am also shooting handloads from it with a MV of around 3000, and factory ammo is all that has been used while hunting in the other two. You will be happy with which ever one you pick. (I'd go with the short action).
     
  17. Biohazurd

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    Though i dont know your specific hunting environment, I would probably recommend the .308 for two specific reasons. Short action, and ease and cost of obtaining ammunition. though finding .270 ammo shouldnt be to hard i challenge you to walk into any reputable gun shop and not find .308 ammo(at a extremely reasonable price)... Its possible but not likely.
     
  18. Txhillbilly

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    Just to throw something else out there. The 243 probably takes more deer in Texas each year than the 270/308 combined.
    250 yrds for a Texas deer? Where do you plan on hunting-West Tx? Most shots on whitetail's are under 100 yrds anyplace I've hunted in this state.
     
  19. Poink88

    Poink88 New Member

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    Just want the capability in case I need it but will try to take them as close as I can.

    I will hunt near Austin but mostly Rio Grande Valley.
     
  20. stalkingbear

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    If we're allowed to recommend different calibers/cartridges I'd like to throw my hat in for the excellent low recoiling accurate 260 or 7mm08 (my choice).