Decent semi auto rifle.

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by CANTthinkOFaUSERNAME, Jul 6, 2012.

  1. CANTthinkOFaUSERNAME

    CANTthinkOFaUSERNAME New Member

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    I am 18. I originally wanted a 9mm or 40 cal carbine but buying handgun ammo is an issue until I am 21. So a decent semi auto rifle is what I am looking for. I don't know too much about them. I keep getting caught in the ak vs ar debate. Please don't turn this into one. I have heard too many horror stories about both sides. I would love to be able to handle them but some places that is an issue because they won't allow me to handle anything with a pistol grip. Something that I can convert after purchase would also be a better option. If you have any suggestions it would be appreciated. I would prefer 223/5.56 but 7.62x39 is also an option. Thanks.
     
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  2. Garadex

    Garadex New Member

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    A 5.45 ak has cheap ammo similar to 5.56 and you get the ak package. But to really know you'll have to handle each.
     

  3. CANTthinkOFaUSERNAME

    CANTthinkOFaUSERNAME New Member

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    I have handled both and AK and an AR. I enjoy shooting both. But I prefer to have less recoil in a gun than the AK. I prefer quick follow up shots. And don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the recoil is too much to handle just not what I like. I have not shot an AR. Any significant difference in recoil between 7.62x39 and the 5.56?
     
  4. jg3

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    You could get a .223 saiga ak which comes with a standard rifle buttstock and then get it converted to a standard ak buttstock and pistol grip layout
     
  5. sputnik1988

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    7.62x39 has a pretty good punch to it, quite a bit more than 556. Look at a Saiga in 5.45x39, it is a real Russian AK with no pistol grip and has less recoil than a 5.56, especially if you attach a AK74 muzzle brake. Plus the ammo is CHEAP.

    http://centerfiresystems.com/sai-545.aspx
     
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  6. CANTthinkOFaUSERNAME

    CANTthinkOFaUSERNAME New Member

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    How hard is the conversion? I like the idea of doing it myself but I don't know a lot about the gun. And one thing I forgot to mention is budget. Anyway I could keep it less than 500-650?
     
  7. sputnik1988

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    Saiga's are under $400, plus $100-$150 to do a conversion, look it up on Youtube.

    It's not as hard as it looks. The 5.56 version will need a bullet guide, the 5.45x39 will not.

    For $650-$700 you could build your own AR15... and its easy.
     
  8. Rex in OTZ

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    What you want to do with it?

    for a good semi auto sporter get a Winchester model 100 in .308 or .243winchester.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdWgY5rotus[/ame]

    for cheap plinking get a good used Chinese SKS in 7.62x39
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MpzrDOHQ6A[/ame]


    you can get a french MAS 49/56 in 7.5 french or one converted for .308 for way less than a new Ruger mini 14, the french MAS 49 think SKS on Steroids.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKxvsMbodZ8[/ame]

    Try a Ruger Deerfield .44 carbine, its a .44 cal mini -14
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkCMocDAuH0[/ame]

    marlin Camp .45,
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef6TC6rHa0w[/ame]


    Hi Point 9945
    (i have a HP 995 and its a good gun)
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh1AKR8Yvbo[/ame]
     
  9. MikeJK

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    Saigas are nice and I've owned 3 (2 7.62x39 and 1 .308). I also have had other AK variants. The thing is w/ an AK variant you have ergonomic problems. You'll also find it difficult to locate good mounting solutions for optics like a RDS. There are some great choices out now but that hasn't always been the case.

    Ther are inherant design flaws w/ the AK that you won't find in the AR. AKs are made w/ more relaxed tolerances. Some will say this is a good thing for reliability but the negatives start to outweigh this one possitive. ARs are just as reliable and yet much more accurate. ARs also aim more naturally for me as their ergos lend to such things.

    Quality companies are starting to pick up the slack when it comes to AKs. It's funny because all these new and improved parts are usually very similar in function to the parts manufactured for ARs.

    Magazine changes - ARs win hands down for speed and ease.

    I don't know what horror stories you've heard but maybe you should share so we can put your mind to ease.

    Just saw your budget. I'm thinking S&W Sport.
     
  10. JonM

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    the usa made parts are there not for improving anything but to make the gun 922r compliant so mags greater than 10 rounds can be used. a 922r gun has to have 10 or less foriegn made parts so a pistol grip and standard sized magazines can be used.
     
  11. MikeJK

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    Thanks JonM. I do realize that. Im talking about parts that improve function and ergonomics such as RDS mounts, AR style buffer tubes and stocks, magazine releases, rails, pistol grips, etc... Look at the newer, higher quality muzzle devices from places like Spikes Tac. and BattleComp. Or how about the stuff Mission First Tac. is putting out for the AK. Or even US Palm w/ their pistol grips and magazines. That kinda stuff. Not the only for compliance no real difference in performance parts.
     
  12. JonM

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    ahh i see. im a noob to the ak world got two ak pattern guns neither is a ak47 heh. psl and saiga12. ive been reading a lot trying to educate myself on ak type issues and parts. i may get another saiga in 20ga for the wife and do the conversion myself. it looks like fun. she expressed a lot of interest in it.
     
  13. MikeJK

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    Saigas are one of the better ones once converted.
     
  14. accessdenied01

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    Honestly since your a cheap ass buy an sks and for a thousand buy an AR, but for 1400 you can just get a aresenal ak which is really good gun.
     
  15. MikeJK

    MikeJK New Member

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    That seems high for an Arsenal. Why the Arsenal over the AR?
     
  16. locutus

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    BIG DIFFERENCE. The 5.45 may be a bit softer than the 5.56, but it's not really noticeable.
     
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  17. sputnik1988

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    $1400 for an Arsenal is way high and if truth be told,I imagine a WASR-10/63 will do anything an Arsenal will, it just wont look as pretty and will never be worth as much.

    Plus all an Arsenal is, is a factory converted Saiga.
     
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  18. tacticalfun

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    Am i the only one that owns a sig 55x ? :(
     
  19. TLuker

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    What no Mini 14 fans out there?

    The Mini's are tough to beat and definitely worth looking into. You can get it in either caliber, and you can change the stock to whatever after purchase. :)
     
  20. Secondhand_Hero

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    One HUGE question everyone seemed to have forgotten to ask you is this; what is the PURPOSE of this firearm? Is it for plinking? Is it for defense? A training weapon? Maybe a SHTF scenario? Before you choose what you are looking for, decide what you plan on using it for. Once this question is answered i'm sure we could all better assist you.