"cz phantom vs s&w m&p9 vs m&p pro opinions"

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by illegalintentions, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. illegalintentions

    illegalintentions New Member

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    Tax returns will be here by the end of the week. After years of wanting a gun and recently shooting quite often with friends and their guns, I have decided its time to make my purchase. I'm having trouble deciding on which of the three to choose from. A little about me I'm 6'1" 350 lbs so I'm not worried about concealment size. Hell I lost the remote for the tv with an adjustment in sitting. I also have decided on a polymer frame because you know that extra pound is gonna kill me... Lol, all joking aside the gun will be used for home defense and target shooting. I'm looking for personal experience on either if not both you have fired or fondled. I have decided to go with one of these full size poly framed 9mm for the simple facts comfort (interchangeable backstraps), weight, and ammo prices are low, I am not a rich man and I plan on practicing. I hear both the phantom and m&p will benefit from a trigger job, however the m&p pro series has the improved trigger and sights. I can get the phantom or the pro for about the same price and about 75 dollars less for the basic m&p. By the way the m&p will be the 4.25 inch barrel (not the 5" it just looks funny to me) vs the phantoms 4.72. How much of a difference do you think that will make in accuracy? Also your thoughts on hammer vs striker fire? What ammo do you prefer to use in these for home defense and which ammo for range. One last thing I am in California so I'm limited to 10 round mags. Please none one try and get me to buy a glock. It is between these 3 guns!!! So let me have it!!!
     

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  2. pfev1980

    pfev1980 New Member

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    The M&P is a sweet gun. I didn't notice a need for a trigger job on the one I fired, but then, I don't really require perfection in my trigger. I should mention though, the M&P looks suspiciously a lot like my FNP-9. Hadn't noticed the similarities until now as I don't own the M&P. Just shot a buddies.
     

  3. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    I have an M&P9c and after 300 or so rounds through it so far I don't think the trigger is bad at all. I don't know anything about the CZ but I can say that my M&P has been a great EDC and shoots great!
     
  4. tankmechanic

    tankmechanic New Member

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    I am for the M&P!! Of course its my EDC too, bias maybe. It works well with a Crossbreed IWB.
     
  5. Jeepergeo

    Jeepergeo New Member

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    Rock …Paper...Sissors a few times and you'll have a good answer since you already narrowed it down to some nice selections.
     
  6. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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    Question: Is a hammer important to you? If so cz. That's the gun I'm going to buy, except in steel. The tactical with night sights. Good luck and sorry about no 18+1 for you.
     
  7. sweeper22

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    On paper, I like the CZ best. I've found everything in the CZ 75 family to be exceptionally reliable, accurate, and near perfect ergonomically. It's also a better looking gun IMO. But I've never shot the poly (Phantom version) SP-01. Word is, the trigger isn't so hot.

    All personal bias aside, I'd probably push you toward the SW M&P. In their fairly limited history the feedback I hear is really positive. They seem to have pretty nice ergos and you'll find parts and accessories to be far more readily available (and affordable) due to numerous LEO contracts the SW's are filling.

    FWIW- My preference in hi-cap service pistols is CZ, BHP, or Sig for metal guns, and SA XD/XDm in polymer.
     
  8. RandyMarsh

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    I have an M&P .45

    I like it for several reasons:
    -no safety
    -changable backstraps
    - Jointed trigger is a pleasure for me to pull
    - Viewing portal on top of the slide so you can see when a round is chambered.

    I really really like this weapon. It was my first handgun, and my first semi auto handgun. I am planning on getting more from the M&P family when I can afford it.
    You can find them for a good price on sale too
     
  9. Wiseman3

    Wiseman3 New Member

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    I ditto his statements although it's my third handgun second polymer. First was a Glock, the Glock is no longer with us but the Smith will be here for a long time. If that helps at all. Also mine is a 45
     
  10. illegalintentions

    illegalintentions New Member

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    Those of you with the .45's, how is muzzle flip on those? Have you shot the 9mm's? Also what size gun (frame) and length barrel are you running?
     
  11. RandyMarsh

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    I don't know a lot so I'm not sure what you mean by muzzle flip. How would I know the size of the gun frame? Isn't it pretty standard to all three M&P handgun models? I'm pretty sure the barrel is 3 or 4 inches. Again I'm not sure exactly how to answer but just let me know and I'll post my info :)
     
  12. illegalintentions

    illegalintentions New Member

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    Thanks for the reply Randy. I myself do not know to much either, what I do know is the m&p has a few different things in the line long gun (ar style rifle), revolvers, and semi auto pistols which I am asking about. I seen them in full size and compact frames. The full size can have 4.25, 4.5, or 5" barrels. By muzzle flip I mean when you pull the trigger does the gun jump up a lot and take a while to get back on target. Maybe muzzle flip was the wrong word for that.
     
  13. Wiseman3

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    I'm running the full size 4.5 inch M&P 45. The rise isn't much more than the 9mm. I've got a BHP 9mm and I do shoot better after shooting the 45 but like I said recoil isn't much more. Frame on the M&P series is the same but the barrel lengths are different. The 9 and 40 are 4.25".
     
  14. sweeper22

    sweeper22 New Member

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    Your terminology is fine. 45acp kicks straight back more so than sending the muzzle up. I find that my right (trigger hand) elbow absorbs a great deal of the recoil. It's not much tougher to shoot than 9mm in my opinion, and offers quicker target reacquisition than 40sw.
     
  15. Jeepergeo

    Jeepergeo New Member

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    Muzzle flip? Seems like getting the first round on target and that round doing its job is of top importance.
     
  16. illegalintentions

    illegalintentions New Member

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    @jeepergeo- agreed that's my over all goal, accuracy.
     
  17. DustyDawg48

    DustyDawg48 New Member

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    I'd have to be grouped with those that would push you towards the M&P. I love the CZ autos and one of my favorite handguns in the CZ75 SA in 9mm. Like sweeper22 pointed out, though, parts and accessories for the M&P are going to be much more plentiful. You can now get just about any holster manufacturer with several models for the M&P, the CZ weapons might be hit or miss. Thankfully MecGar mags the CZ mags and they can be found for around $25.00 each which is about the same price as most M&P mags. The changeable backstraps on the M&P really help make the gun an even greater pleasure to shoot.

    I own both the M&P9 Pro 4.25" version and the M&P45 4.5" version with thumb safety and they are 2 of my favorite pistols. The muzzle flip on the .45 is almost non existent and just working on your grip will help eliminate any that you might have. I shoot IDPA with my M&P45 and will regularly be in the top 3 or 4 shooters posting faster times than many 9mm shooters.
     
  18. WDbeej

    WDbeej New Member

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    Bought an M&P 9 Carry and Range kit. $509 + tax. Full size, 4.5" barrel. First gun. After a few times out at the range can put three magazines worth of rounds into a spread-hand sized grouping at 10 yards.
    Love the Carry and Range kit. It included a Kytex holster, 3 magazines, a magazine holster, Magula loader, ear protection and the case. Most importantly the M&P is AMERICAN MADE!
     
  19. WDbeej

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    Also plan on purchasing the M&P 22 pistol later this year. Same basic frame, weight, site line and look of the M&P9, but can use it to throw much cheaper 22 rounds down range to extend my range time.
     
  20. Jeepergeo

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    The 45 ACP seems more capable of doing the job than a 9 mm. I'm not knocking a 9 mm as they have their place. But comparing a 45 ACP to 9 mm is about as helpful as comparing 22 LR to .222 Swift - both are great rounds, but each has a range of optimal capabilities.

    I summary, my theory is to put most of the emphasis on making the first shot count as there may not be a chance to take a second shot. In hunting, once that first round is fired, a poor or ineffective hit means game on the run and running game means it will be unlikely or very hard to land a second round.