Current buying panic challenges my assumptions on ammunition stockpiling

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by CrazedJava, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. CrazedJava

    CrazedJava New Member

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    So .223 ammo is always in high demand but I always felt ok about it because I have a decent hunting rifle in 30-30. However, as I planned for any disaster scenarios I figured there would always be plenty of .22 LR, 9mm, or .45 ACP right up until an actual crisis hit.

    I never pictured a non-emergency wiping out access to such common calibers. Especially .22 LR, which I always keep plenty on hand anyway but I can't visit the gun range without, ya'know, using ammunition. Even 30-30 is getting difficult to come by. .38 Special also flies off the shelf and it is actually easier to find .45 ACP right now than .38 Special, .380 Auto, or 9mm Luger.

    This is forcing me to re-evaluate common calibers that have lower demand. As it didn't fit with the "7 guns theory" I didn't worry about it. I figured common calibers would be useful after SHTF scenarios because it would be good to have weapons that could fire any ammunition I came across or traded for, and trade would most likely occur with what is common.

    In my area .222 Remington, 30-06, and 7mm are still on the shelves in decent quantities. .40 S&W is around but diminished and .357 Magnum actually has a good selection. I'm not really interested in .44 Magnum but I do see it and I wonder if handgun hunting is a possibility. I also see plenty of .17 and .22 WMR.

    This makes me wonder if at a minimum I should consider adding a 4" or 6" barrel .357 Magnum revolver to my collection and maybe a .22 WMR lever action. The other aspect this buying panic has shown me is magazine availability is a problem. I knew that before but now I am thinking I need more than my 30-30 that is not magazine reliant. I'm also seriously considering a .22 WMR revolver but I think the rifle would be more useful and is a higher priority.

    Anyone else seeing the need to maybe alter plans after this recent panic buying spree?
     
  2. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    In your case of thinking of buying two more guns - for the $800 or more those two guns would cost you could buy alot of ammo for the ones you now own. I would just stockpile more ammo for what you have(I am).
     

  3. Yunus

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    If you stockpile before a crisis, you won't have to consider commercial availability should a crisis actually happen.

    You are not prepared unless you have it on hand. A plan to "go buy X" in a crisis is putting a lot to luck.
     
  4. jcd390

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    There are several ways to look at the issue. One way is to have one caliber and stock as much as you can. The other way is to have multiple calibers so no matter what kind of ammo is left you have a gun to shot it with. I prefer the second, but I think that is mostly because I get to buy more guns?!?!?!
     
  5. CrazedJava

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    Well I had been slowing building my stockpile beforehand. Due to financial considerations I cannot simply purchase thousands of rounds at a time. I've got ammunition on hand so that's not a problem.

    What I am referring to specifically is situations where demand has gone through the roof even though there is no crisis. That is not something I ever accounted for. To maintain proficiency I need to visit the range. To visit the range I have to expend ammunition. Thus in pre-crisis conditions I should be able to replenish what I shoot. Currently that is not happening. I do have a source for additional ammunition but I'm paying $1 to $2 more per box than usual and the seller will not sell in bulk.

    That is where I am considering perhaps adopting something that is common but doesn't have the ridiculously high demand. Granted, that is a good point that $800 will buy a lot of ammunition, but I currently couldn't find $800 of ammunition right now in the calibers I was stocking. I'd like to think there is a lesson to be learned here. Prior to the panic buying I ONLY saw a serious real crisis as a reason why ammunition would not be available for general purchase.
     
  6. Rick1967

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    For less than you would spend on one gun you could get set up for reloading. And you could even pour your own lead if need be. Once you have the lead and the molds you can make all the bullets you need. I have at least a hundred pounds of lead in my garage. Plus thousands of bullets already molded. I have at least 7 thousand rounds of loaded ammo in my collection. Almost none of it is store bought.
     
  7. CrazedJava

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    Unfortunately, reloading is not an option for me. I've heard all the options, including some fairly interesting compact reloading setups. I just am not able to do it at this time or the foreseeable future.

    I'm far from alone in this, and thus people like me will be dependent on what they can find in stores or on the Internet. Unfortunately, doing the math, I have to purchase in almost ridiculous bulk and outside of what I can do comfortably to make it worthwhile for Internet sales.
     
  8. jcd390

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    Crazed, what caliber you are looking for? I have recently purchased 2100 rounds of .22LR from Cabelas for $92 with $5 shipping. This allows me to shot and stay in form without using my supply of .38, .357, or 45.
     
  9. orangello

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    Do you have some blackpowder firearms and supplies in case pre-rolled ammo becomes too scarce? There are recipes for making you own blackpowder in a serious situation. Bullet molds for .50 lead round ball are cheap. What about a bow or even a slingshot?

    That said, an observation of your posts in this thread leads to a conflict: first it is indicated that your ammunition purchases must be small to fit your budget, then you discuss buying another firearm which would almost certainly cost as much or more than a bulk purchase of ammunition for one of your current calibers. If you have the cash for another firearm, you have the cash for a bulk ammo purchase.

    I advise you look for a decent bulk purchase deal. I don't see revolvers being first up on the "ban it" block, so that .357 should be available post ban.
     
  10. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    This will pass, just like it did in 2008. By Summer you will see supplies catch up and prices dropping. The panic is of our own making. People who are crying about this are like the man who appeared in front of the judge, begging for mercy for killing his parents, on the grounds that he was an orphan.

    There are times to buy.........this isn't one of them.
     
  11. Tackleberry1

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    Can't plan for everything but there is a reason I own 9 mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP, .357 Mag/.38 SPC, and .44 Mag/.44 SPC

    It's nice owning 6 platforms that can handle 8 different calibers! Actually 8 platforms but there a couple of double ups in there...:)

    ...or at least there were before that damn boat trip...:mad:

     
  12. nitestalker

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    If you are that worried about no ammo? I would get a lever action .44 Mag. and a .44 Handgun. A Lee Dbl. cavity .429 Kieth .240 mold $20 bucks. A small C Press and a set of dies $75 dollars.
    In place of buying over priced bulk ammo buy powder and primers. Lay in 100 lbs. of WWs. You will still be shooting when Obama is in a Kenyan Rest Home for old Socialist.;)
     
  13. HockaLouis

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    Nope, I'm good.

    Crazed, we've basically only had non-crisis runs on ammo nationally. Those crazy preppers! It's too late for you now at the moment. I appreciate your trying to expand your capabilities but it isn't the answer. Yes, you need to build up your "cache" if you feel it is inadequate. I hope you can. Slow but steady wins the race. And if you can shoot .22 LR well, you're ahead of the game.

    Currently, I uge you to shoot some .22 LR and husband your centerfire ammo...
     
  14. CrazedJava

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    Yeah, now is more of a time of reflection. I'm not altering my current plans and making do. I am definitely questioning some of my assumptions though. If I add another firearm outside my current plan it will not be until later.
     
  15. TLuker

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    I wouldn't ever select a caliber because of potential possible ammo availability. I select my calibers based on what performance I want from the bullet, and I would advise others to do the same. Once you find a caliber(s) you like then stock up when you can. As already pointed out this isn't the time to be buying, but this summer should be a good time for that.

    And I've got to ask, what is the "7 gun theory"? :confused:
     
  16. sdiver35

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    I always stick with NATO calibers for availability should something really happen.
     
  17. jcd390

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    Yeah, I thought the same thing but its looking like my theory is a little flawed since you can't buy any NATO calibers right not.:(
     
  18. CrazedJava

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    7 Gun Theory is something I read about how many guns does anyone need

    As a baseline everyone should own at least the following to cover all situations -
    A hunting rifle (I've amended this to be something in a "Wal-Mart" caliber)
    A magazine fed autoloading rifle
    A shotgun
    A full-size centerfire handgun
    A compact or subcompact handgun
    A rimfire pistol
    A rimfire rifle

    Obviously not a hard and fast rule, but if you have at least one of each you should be covered for most situations.
     
  19. aandabooks

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    I think along the same lines and have covered all 7 of those. For all of the members of my family.

    Along the lines of the current ammo situation. I have stuck with common pistol and rifle calibers. I have stockpiled when possible and have a pretty decent stock on hand. I am now getting into reloading and have bought about 3,000 bullets so far and just found one of my LGSs with primers on hand. Picked up 5,000 pistol primers today.

    It looks like I will be hoarding reloading supplies like I do factory ammo and firearms.
     
  20. TLuker

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    I had a four gun philosophy for years. I large caliber center fire rifle for large game. A .22 rifle for small game. A shotgun for whatever. And a fourth rifle just for fun and as a backup for the first one. I never was a pistol guy, but doesn't hurt to have one, or three. :)