Curios & Relics

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Woody, Jul 14, 2011.

  1. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Just received my FFL for Curios & Relics after a 4 mo wait. Can't wait to start shopping. Just can't decide between a SBR or a SBS
     

  2. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Somthing like this maybe
     

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  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    You DO understand that with or without a C&R FFL, all National Firearm Act rules still apply, and that your FFL only covers those firearms that ar 50 years old or older, or that are on the ATF list? And that for a SBR or SBS, you will still pay the $200 transfer tax, and go thru the same process? :confused:
     
  4. Firearms4ever

    Firearms4ever New Member

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    I was going to say the same thing, but you beat me to it :eek:.
     
  5. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Yes I was aware of that. But thanks for info. My local Gun shop had informed me of that But had told me to purchase a class 3 I would still have to have the FFL and going the C&R route was the best way. The list of C&R's they sent with my license is very informative and mind boggiling at the same time
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Woody- what state are you in? To purchase a Class III NFA weapon, you need to arrange the transfer through an 01 Dealer that has a Class III endorsement that is in your home state. Totally different from an 03 C&R FFL.

    I really don't mean to lecture to you- I am concerned that you may have been given some misinformation. I have held a 03 C&R FFL since 1976, and if I wanted to buy a SBS, or a full auto, unless it was a 50 year old firearm, or one listed by the ATF as a C&R, my license does nothing for me.
     
  7. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Never consider learning a lecture. A little background to my reason for applying for the C&R. I live in Missouri and have a CCW. And was now starting to have a growing interest in adding a NFA class 3 to my collection. So I went down to my local gunshop to inquiry what I needed to do seeing I knew these were special permit weapons that had to be registered
    The Dealer said the first thing I needed was to apply for an FFL and the easiest to get was the C&R and when I got it.
    I would still be paying the $200 fee for the permit for the SBR
    Also as a side note if I decided to put a suppressor on it it would be another $200 for the permit for the suppressor.

    And the dealer would be helping me file all the paperwork and selling me the weapon



    Like I say I'm just starting to learn about special permited weapons. But I have faith in this gun dealer that all will be in order and completely on the up and up they have been in business locally for along time and have been and do deal in
    Class III
     
  8. c3shooter

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    Woody- that's good. I was holding my breath- we get a few folks that confuse a Class III firearm, and a Class 03 FFL. Then they have a BIG dissappointment.

    And to address the suppressor issue- with the rare exception of an integrally suppressed firearm, the can is removable- so will have it's own serial number, and it's own transfer paper- under the NFA, a suppressor IS a firearm.
     
  9. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    Thanks again for the info. I do have a question about C&R though

    When I read the sticky who to send you C&R to in this section. I could swear it is insinuating I can have weapons on the C&R list sent to me???

    The way I read the info I got with my license is that I am not allowed to have firearms shipped to me personally regardless of being on the list or not. Mailorder transactions would still
    Have to be made through a Dealer with an FFL to sell sell firearms

    Note: I did catch the note that came with my license to make copies to use when making a purchase

    Once again thanks for the help and I'll be watching this thread closely to help me learn what I can and cannot do

    Oh yea and salivating over my
    FIREARMS CURIOS OR RELICS LIST
     
  10. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Okay, I'm confused...

    You were told to get a Class 03 (C&R) to get a Class III weapon?

    To get the NFA clearance, you do not need to get an FFL. Just complete the required paperwork.

    Am I missing something?
     
  11. c3shooter

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    Woody- an 03 C&R FFL is just that- a Federal Firearms License. Unlike a Dealer's 01 FFL, an 03 is limited to firearms defined as Curios and Relics. That means a firearm that is 50 years old or older (not the model, THAT gun) OR a firearm on the list published by the BATFE without regard to age (such as ALL Winchester Model 88s, ALL Colt Woodsman pistols)

    I have a C&R FFL. Last week, I won an auction for a Mossberg 151K rifle. That rifle was only made 1950-1951. I sent the seller a money order, and a signed copy of my C&R FFL. FedEx brought it to me last Friday. I entered the rifle into my "bound book" of acquisitions and dispositions. THAT is what an 03 C&R FFL is for.

    You cannot MAIL a handgun by US Mail with a C&R FFL (Dealers and Mfgr's ONLY can mail a handgun) but you CAN mail shotguns/ rifles, and you CAN receive handguns by FedEx and UPS. But ONLY C&R firearms. MODERN firearms still go thru an 01 FFL (dealer)

    You may also buy a C&R HANDGUN when in another state. An unlicensed person cannot buy a handgun in a state they do not reside in- it must be shipped to a dealer in their home state. YOU may COLLECT in any state.

    Go HERE and do some reading- Welcome to Cruffler.com!

    You can also send me a PM if you need some more info.
     
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  12. Woody

    Woody New Member

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    That clears up alot shooter Thanx

    And you know I suppose there is every chance that he told me to get a C&R. Was for his own piece of mind. I'm fairly confident that if I could not get a C&R that odds are I would not get a NFA tax stamp. And since the Gunshop would be building the gun for me. Not saying that's exactly the reason but makes sence to me.
    Either way he has helped me out He has broadend my knowledge and now I'm still Definetly qualified to purchase weapons that I could not before
     
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    And it "saves" you money too! Except... You spend more than you save:)

    Sent from my DROID2 using FirearmsTalk
     
  14. 1919A4

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    Amen to that. When I first got my C&R back in ther 80's, I did just fine until those cool catalogs from just about every importer in the country started popping up in my mailbox with all sorts of cool pictures of guns that would be shipped right to my door if I just called a number and gave them another number found on a little card in my wallet. As most of those guns back then were under a hundred dollars, it seemed like a bargain...until the day that I counted them all and realized how much I was spending in the aggregate.

    So to help "defray" my costs, I got an 01 FFL and started selling guns to friends and co-workers for a few dollars over my cost. But that backfired too, because almost everything that I ordered and handled for my friends was so cool that I had to call the wholesaler back and order another one for myself.

    And then came Class III. But at least with those, you can get a cheap one, play with it for a while, then re-sell it and "trade up" to something bigger and cooler. I started out in 2003 with a junky MK 760 that I bought for $2100. I flipped it a couple of years later and bought an M2 carbine for what I'd sold the 760 for, then flipped the carbine a year later for another toy. My last aquisition was an M60 GPMG and I got it for a bit less than the gun that I sold to buy it, and I bought that one five flips down the road from the MK760. So My M60 honestly cost me $2100 plus $1200 in transfer taxes, spread out over 8 years, plus a lot of shopping around, which is fun anyway.

    If you know the market, pay close attention to the machine gun sale boards and jump quick on the right deals with cash in your hand, you can score some fantastic deals. They are out there, especially in this economy as people are shedding their toys for cash.