Good grief. I scored nearly 1000 22lrs from a buddy at Knob Creek for nothing and they SUCK. They are target loads and are waxy and absolutely filthy little things. FTF every 5-10 rounds. Turn the shell a little and it works. They will not even feed into my 10/22, they only work in my single shot and even then you need to shove them into the breech. When they work they are quiet. I think they are subsonic, either way I'm out nothing but the anticipation I had was crushed like Michael Moore's arches after jogging to Krispy Kreme.