[TimKS]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Totally unfounded fear and hatred.

That depends on what you mean by control, in lots of aspects the governing already controls you from the cradle to the grave.

What's "unfounded" about fear of government? Everyone has some fear of government.....and should. If there were no fear of government, I would call that place "heaven".

Excessive control = beyond my voting approval.

 

[locutus]

A little concern about government is good.

Irrational hatred and fear, like a few here, is not.

 

[Ghost1958]

A little concern about government is good.

Irrational hatred and fear, like a few here, is not.

Depends on what the gov is doing or attempting to do at any given time.

Actually 60 or so years ago the concern needle should have hit red and gov put back in its constitutional box. But it wasnt

Right now we have a sham presidential election and a virus that's been overhyped into a tool to remake this country into socialist nation devoid of individual liberty.

This way this election was run could not have been gotten away with in a socialist nation.
We are rapidly falling into third world status .
High concern right now is more that warranted.

 

[locutus]

Ghost, your ideas about the constitution have no basis in law whatsoever.

 

[Ghost1958]

Ghost, your ideas about the constitution have no basis in law whatsoever.

I would disagree and refer you to the document itself , more specifically to what is actually written in it. Not some egg heads " interpretation " of it using language that does not exist anywhere in said document.
Which has been paraded for close to 100 yrs as " law" when it is actually the exact opposite of the law.

Thankfully before the election was stolen , the judiciary has to a great extent been cleansed of the socialist fiction writing judges and replaced with judges who hopefully will return our system of laws to reflect what is actually in the COTUS, instead of the fantasy weaving and social engineering that has gone on in the legal system for much much to long.
On a unrelated side note I cannot decide whether or not to put up the Christmas Tree this year.

 

[CMAB2SA]

Well....

 

[sheepdawg]

A little concern about government is good.

Irrational hatred and fear, like a few here, is not.

But isn't that what the Bill of Rights is all about??? Fear and mistrust of a too powerful government. I also believe there's nothing irrational about the fear of the current situation. There are people in the very top echelon of our government that hate capitalism, the very economic system that made America the greatest country on the planet, and will resort to whatever is needed to bury it. How can it be irrational when we've heard it from their very mouths. Didn't the left's great Messiah, Barrack Hussein Obama, say something about fundamental change?

 

[microadventure]

I worked in government research labs for 43 years. anybody who thinks "the government wouldn't do thing like that" is living life without a clue. the government has the integrity of a hooker.

 

[Ghost1958]

I worked in government research labs for 43 years. anybody who thinks "the government wouldn't do thing like that" is living life without a clue. the government has the integrity of a hooker.

Less. At least a hooker renders some service for her pay. Gov officials not so much.

 

[Notrighty]

Hookers render a lot of services to Gov officials also. I will not trust the new administration as much as the current one.

 

[Ghost1958]

Hookers render a lot of services to Gov officials also. I will not trust the new administration as much as the current one.

The change hasn't happened yet.

Though I didnt trust the current one much ,especially on 2A, if he who shall not be named and the mattress manage the robbery successfully I wont trust it at all.

 

[towboater]

Didn't the government let some people suffer and die from syphilis? All to just see what happens when not treated

 

[Ghost1958]

Didn't the government let some people suffer and die from syphilis? All to just see what happens when not treated

Yep, the Tuskegee Study.
300 black sharecroppers told they were being tested for " bad blood". In return they would receive free health care.
Not only the study group was Guinea pigs without their knowledge, many of their spouses died of the disease as well as their children.

This and many other cases of the federal gov either allowing Americans to die in studies or purposefully poisoning 10,000 in an effort to enforce prohibition.
As with everything else these are only the examples we Americans know of.

It's a sure bet much worse has been done we do not.
There is no limit to the evil the Fed will do to increase its power as long as it believes it can survive the kick back if discovered.

 

[manta]

I would disagree and refer you to the document itself , more specifically to what is actually written in it. Not some egg heads " interpretation " of it using language that does not exist anywhere in said document.
Which has been paraded for close to 100 yrs as " law" when it is actually the exact opposite of the law.

The laws are what they are, not what you would like it to be.

 

[Ghost1958]

The laws are what they are, not what you would like it to be.

Laws are print on paper. And do little to accomplish anything. Unconstitutional ones are null and void when written.


I've a feeling if I live another ten years the laws will be much more aligned to the COTUS limits on gov . Shame we allowed things to reach the point they have.

 

[manta]

Laws are print on paper. And do little to accomplish anything. Unconstitutional ones are null and void when written.


I've a feeling if I live another ten years the laws will be much more aligned to the COTUS limits on gov . Shame we allowed things to reach the point they have.

So you would have no laws, everyone for themselves. As i said the laws are there like it or not, and people can break if they wish and face the consequences.

 

[Ghost1958]

So you would have no laws, everyone for themselves. As i said the laws are there like it or not, and people can break if they wish and face the consequences.

Everyone breaks some law or multiple laws daily. Mostly minor nuisance laws like speed limits , seat belts , etc..

And way more people break major laws , even constitutional ones all their lives and are never caught than are caught.

Laws against murder, rape, truely violent crimes , theft, sure they are needed but at the same time dont prevent squat.
Most of the other millions of laws we have on the books were not and are not needed, most being illegally passed laws to begin with.

 

[TimKS]

I'm sure some will disagree with this, but I totally agree with it.

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/sensible-compassionate-anti-covid-strategy/

 

[locutus]

The trouble with "expert opinions" is that there are many experts, and they usually have different opinions.

 

[Ghost1958]

Their already blabbing about locking down Christmas.
Doesnt matter to me personally but alot of folks are going to tell the " authorities " to go pound sand like they did during Thanksgiving.