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Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by tinbucket, May 18, 2020.

  1. tinbucket

    tinbucket Well-Known Member

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    I have not bought any new powders for 20+ years except for 8 lbs of powder for 5.56 at nearly $200.00. I still have partial and maybe some full cans of various powders.
    $11.00 a pound was high to me. I think, not looking, at the labess, that most of the powders were less than $10.00 a lb. And bullets 9mm FMJ $35.00 for 115 grain fmj 250 count???
    Perhaps I will get a new loading bench up before long between demands for time.I really need to as cost for everything is out of sight. a buck a shot for .45 Colt cowboy loads???
    So it would be outstanding if we played accountant and kept track of the cost of our loads.
    I hesitate to look at the price of new primers. Maybe a stiff drink aforehand. Fortunately I have a few thousand in small and large pistol and rifle primers. I know some of them were bought in the seventies. Black powder 2 cans Dynamite Nobel I remember the price was 6.95 a can.
     
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  2. austin92

    austin92 Well-Known Member

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    I’ve only been reloading for 5 years or so, so I never got to see those prices. I have been stuck on cci primers since day one and see them pretty standard at 40$/1000. I’d say the powder I have on hand averages 23$/lb. pistol bullets I have used berry’s, Rainer, Speer, and Hornady ranging 8-20 cents per bullet. Haven’t experimented with rifle much, just load Plinkers for my m1 garand and 303 enfield for less than .50 cents a round with Hornady bullets.
     
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  3. sheriffjohn

    sheriffjohn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    IMR 4064 - $3.22 on one of my powder cans at hand at the moment, thanks to your post. IMR 4350 - $18.88, Tube of #11 Remington Percussion caps - $12.50, etc. Used to buy bullets, primers, shotgun reloading stuff by the thousand lot to save enough to shoot alot.
    25 lb cloth bag of #8 shot says $11.00 on the bag, still unopened. Some of this I purchased just out of grad school, making $600 a month. People look at the increase in prices but unless you're old, might not realize that that bag of shot was maybe a half-day's pay.

    My truck I had to buy last year was over $50,000 while the first house we bought was $32,000 (nice house, too). I'm digging out my accumulation of gun stuff with the realization that I'll never shoot it all up nor use up very much of the "makin's" either. When I can buy a case of shotgun shells for $60, it doesn't make much sense to sit at a loader for a whole day to reload a case of shells (unless they're .410's which are stupid high cost).

    Sticker shock is quite real for old guys/girls, so is the realization you might have become a gunstroke hoarder (guilty). Some stuff doesn't age well (some powders). Others are as good as the day purchased (bullets, wads, brass, and hulls). My primers and percussion caps are probably ok but I really don't trust them all. Black powder if opened, can eventually eat through the can (as will some smokeless). Flints never go bad.

    My last life lesson is - if it's junk when yo buy it, liikely it'll still be junk 40 years later.
     
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  4. 7.62 Man

    7.62 Man Well-Known Member

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  5. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I dont load enough to buy powder or primers in bulk so I pay high prices at the LGS. Hazmat fees eat up any savings from on line suppliers. H110 is running $28. I do use Rainier and Berry but do have XTP for the 357. I load 357 for rifle and the plated come apart at rifle velocities. It was costing me 20 cent to load 9mm practice. I was buying them for 16 cents so I quit loading 9mm. 38 spl and 357 it still pays to load. I was buying 223 Wolf 62 grain hp for 20 cents and sometimes a little less. Wolf 7.62x39 was costing about the same as 223. Luckily I have a good stock on hand. I did pick up 1k Chedite 209 primers for $26. CCI were 2x that.
     
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  6. PaBushMan

    PaBushMan Well-Known Member

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    My LGS 5000 cci primers is 145.00 35.00 if you buy 1000 box. Last 2 8lb Jugs of powder were 127.00 ea. He's the same as online or less in prices. No hazmat to worry about too.
     
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  7. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You have a good lgs there Pa.
     
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  8. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Well-Known Member

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    I've never worried about paying Hazmat fee's. I always order close to 50 pounds of powder and 10k-20k primers when I order. The savings over what a local store charges is still a bunch.
     
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  9. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If you're doing it for purely financial reasons, unless you're loading an oddball round, you're better off buying commercial new, or commercial reloaded.

    I do it for the fun and generally better accuracy
     
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  10. RaySendero

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    Even though I have supplies from a ways back,
    I keep up a spreadsheet with my cost of reloading at current prices:

    Here's some of my cost per box:

    44spl 165 Lead - $10.07 / 50
    30-M1 110 SP - $11.51 / 50
    270W 150 SierraGK - $14.31 /20
    303B 174 FMJBT - $12.57 /20
    30/06 180 RemCL - $13.32 / 20
    8mm Mauser 200 Speer - $11.75 / 20
    9.3x62 286 NPT - $30.85 / 20
    458WM 450 Swift"A" - $39.26 / 20
    458WM 450 Barnes Solid - $46.93 / 20

    Doesn't take me much time to look-up new prices which includes the new cost of cases figuring just 6 loadings per cases.
     
  11. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    From looking at the prices as a non reloader it seems to me that that is little economy to be had except for expensive ammo.
     
  12. hairbear1

    hairbear1 Well-Known Member

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    Jeeez you Yanks would have a heart attack saw what we Aussies cop powder and projectile wise.
    Probably 12+ months ago I bough 3 4kg tubs of our Australian made AR powders which cost around $350 each.

    AR2207 I can use in my .222 AND 45/70

    AR2208 which is marketed in the US as VARGET which is used in my 22/250AI.

    AR2209 for my .270,303 and 30/06
    Projectile wise for a box Sierra .30 cal 165gn GameKings $70.
    Sierra or Hornady .22 cal 50gn and 60gn around $35+ for 100
    Speer 350gn and 400gn 45 cal around the $40 mark and all because of the Australian $.

    A brick of 500 .22LR ammo can cost $65+ while a brick of 500 .22mag ammo can cost around $180 - $200
     
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  13. RaySendero

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    You are certainly correct on the expensive end.
    Compare those costs of mine above to factory:

    $78.99 - FEDERAL AMMO 9.3x62 286 SW A-FRAME (C/S) 20/bx

    $96.99 - HORNADY AMMO 458 WINCHESTER 500gr DGX BONDED 20/bx

    $143.99 - Nosler 458 Winchester Magnum 500 Grain Solid 20/bx
     
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  14. RaySendero

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    Here's factory prices on the less expensive ammo I reload:
    150gr 270W - $16.99 per box 20
    180 30-06 - $18.49 per box 20

    Now M1-30 carbine are currently all over the spectrum,
    From $21.89 to $49.99 per box 50

    So there's still some saving here.
     
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  15. RaySendero

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    bluez,

    There's one more important thing about those
    relatively inexpensive 270 and 30-06 reloads:

    ACCURACY !!! with my reloads:
    My 270 shoots touching 3-shot groups at 100 yds and even did a couple of touching 3-shot group at 200 yds.
    My 30-06 also has several touching 3 and 4-shot groups at 100yds.
    That factory ammo won't do that.
     
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  16. hairbear1

    hairbear1 Well-Known Member

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    You've also got to remember that the factory's run their loads on the soft side because they don't know what condition your rifle is in and being sued can be a wallet emptying experience.
    While you can get good accuracy out of factory ammo you can always improve accuracy by hand loading.
     
  17. hairbear1

    hairbear1 Well-Known Member

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    ooops double post
     
  18. AgedWarrior

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    I have some older powders still...and they have come in handy at times. Like loading .17 Mach IV with H4227, and I still have some HS-7 around that is pretty fair in 10mm until I use it up. Powder and primers hold up pretty good if kept in cool and dry conditions. I have a container of 748 that is priced just under $9 for the pound. Wish I could still get those prices!

    I do not keep nearly as detailed cost data as Ray does, but I know that all my rifle ammo saves me some money and is superior accuracy over commercial ammo. I don’t save anything loading 9mm, but I still like loading my own. Most handgun ammo is minimal savings and of course the effort and time, but I still enjoy it!

    I browse suppliers on line periodically looking for good deals, and when I find the right deals I usually stock up even if it is not needed; that way I minimize expense and always have supplies on hand. I never buy small amounts of powder on line, but buy in bulk for minimizing hazmat fees. And when you go through places like Graf’s, their shipping fee is minimal when you buy bulk. And when there is a crisis where ammo and loading supplies are more difficult to obtain...I just ride it out.
     
  19. RaySendero

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    AW,
    I don't shoot competition any more so I don't buy in quantities any more, so those costs are based on 1 lb powder prices and 1000 primer prices.
    So you could be even better them a little bit.

    I travel driving a lot, so does give me opportunities to stop and visit LGS. I have found some good buys. Plus, a couple of friends do still buy quantities to reduce shipping cost. They still call to check when they're not maxed-out if I want to add something with them.

    There's just so many questions in forums about reloading cost, I put those spreadsheets together few years ago because I, myself, was curious.
     
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  20. AgedWarrior

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    It is good info Ray! Helpful for folks thinking about it too! I appreciate you sharing it!