Conversation with Ruger

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by stalkingbear, Mar 4, 2009.

  1. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Active Member

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    I recieved an interesting phone call from an Ruger rep names Steve something (supposed to be some kind of big shot or something). He was responding to my bitching about Ruger going to plastic trigger housings on their 10/22s. He proceeded to inform me that it wasn't an cost saving move, but rather an weight saving/stronger part move. Also, he told me that the "long strand glass filled polymer" trigger housings are made to much tighter tolerances which result in better, out of box trigger pulls compared to the older aluminum 1s which have been produced since the 60s when Ruger brought the 10/22 out. He promised to send me 1 to wring out so when it gets here, and I have a chance to test it, I'll let yall know whether the plastic trigger housings are indeed an improvement or are simply an cost saving move as I suspect. At least they FINALLY listened to us and are furnishing installed extended magazine releases.
     
  2. BILLYBOB44

    BILLYBOB44 New Member

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    Good job Bear

    Kool Beans SBear. Let us know how that works out. I have 2 10-22's myself, and it draws my interest.
     

  3. KingTiger

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    As long as you could buy third party trigger kits to improve them like the older triggers, is my concern.
     
  4. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Active Member

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    The newer plastic trigger housings retain the exact same dimensions and parts compatibility as the older aluminum 1s to the best of my knowledge. I'll know for sure when it gets here but it would be pretty stupid on Ruger's part to change it now on the 10/22.
     
  5. montveil

    montveil New Member

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    Just as an observation, I own a nylon 66 > 40 years and it is made entirely out of nylon except for the bolt, barrel, and inner parts. I have never heard of anyone complaining about it being plastic. They have been noted as one of the least fussy firearms under dirty conditions. Heck, even where the bolt slides in the nylon receiver it need no lubrication
    I can relate with plastic being inferior to metal but my Nylon 66 and Glocks have stood the test of time and I have to give the newer "plastics" their due
     
  6. Gene L

    Gene L New Member

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    I suspect it is a cost-savings move, but on the other hand, the aluminum housing now isn't anything to write home about. So it could be a net gain.
     
  7. NY Marksman

    NY Marksman New Member

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    I wrote Ruger a month and a half or so ago but never heard back from them about the same thing.
    I really don't care what the reasons they want us to believe about why they changed from metal to plastic. I don't like the new composite parts and thats all there is to it as far as I'm concerned. My 10/22 was the very first rifle to be posted to Rugers "Tricked out 22's" photo Gallery and I wouldn't have spent the time and money in it if it had been one of the plastic versioned ones. I still think the new Trigger housings are a cost cutting ploy and nothing else. I love my 10/22's but if I ever buy another one the first thing to go will bee all the plastic parts.
     
  8. rugermike

    rugermike New Member

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    Plastic

    I have worked on and with many injection modeling presses and with some of the toughest materials out there to inject into a part. Delerin is probably the strongest and most forgiving and expensive of all of them(this goes on all car and truck exterior molded parts that take a beating). They WILL NOT exceed aluminum or steel trigger assys, PERIOD! Even with "long strand glass filled polymer" (which is basically ABS and fiber glass filled resin)trigger housings that is even more expensive!
    Now again I was in this industry for over 15 years? JMO
     
  9. stalkingbear

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    I recieved a package today containing a new COMPLETE trigger guard assembly made of plastic, as promised by Ruger rep but sent from different rep. It was sent from Randall Pence, executive director of sales & marketing.

    First impressions: It is flat gray, complete (which is suprise, since I only asked for a housing), features an extended magazine release, and has a grooved plastic grooved trigger. It actually has a crisp trigger release, breaking at about 4.5 pounds with some takeup. I'm honestly shocked it breaks as easy & smooth as it does! Everything is the same specs and location of the safety, bolt release, and magazine release is where expected. The bolt release is standard and will require the modification to make it an easy release. I see no reason to buy an Power custom or Volquartson bolt release when 3 minutes and an Dremel will accomplish exactly the same thing. I'm going to install it as is and try it out, then install an adjustable takeup and overtravel of my own design, modify the bolt release, and wring it out later in the week to see what differences it makes, if any, weather permitting. Range report to follow soon. I hope I don't have to eat crow, but WILL TRUTHFULLY write exactly what I discover. How many think I should do a torture test on it? Neil
     
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  10. WhiteWolf4

    WhiteWolf4 New Member

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    I hate plastic on a firearm....WhiteWolf
     
  11. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    I'd love to have you wring one out thoroughly.
     
  12. big shrek

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    What makes me curious is how well the plastic holds form after many thousands of rounds & a fair amount of abuse...like sticking it in a Southern truck's gun rack and catching sun for a few years ;)
     
  13. rexaroonie

    rexaroonie New Member

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    Just looking for an update, anything yet?
     
  14. RL357Mag

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    Hey Bear, while you're at it could you call Henry Repeating Arms and ask them why they ruin a beautiful and accurate lever gun by using plastic barrel bands and front sights? :D
     
  15. stalkingbear

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    OK Here goes-The plastic trigger guard is washer & dryer safe. Yes I did it! After doing that I threw it against the ground several times. It STILL survived! Then I installed it as is, in an 10/22 to test as it came to me. While it exhibited some creep & overtravel (as usual), the weight of pull was better than almost all out of box 10/22s I've felt (about 5 pounds). It seemed to have somewhat of a "mushy" trigger but was otherwise ok. The pins did have to be lightly pushed out as they fit a lot better than in the aluminum housings. The trigger itself as well as the magazine release is also plastic.

    After shooting about 500 rounds with it as is, and passing the above tests, I decided to "slick it up". I installed my overtravel screw in the curve of the trigger, the takeup set screw in the top front of the trigger, installing side spacers in the trigger & hammer, modifying the bolt release, stoning the hammer and reducing the amount of sear engagement, I was ready to compare it to the rest of my 10/22 triggers. I was shocked to discover it was every bit as smooth & light as the rest of them:eek:. I'm ready to eat crow as it seems the plastic housings/trigger have NOT affected the pull after normal slicking it up. It did seem mushy until I tuned it but now lets off like a glass rod at 15oz of weight with extremely short reset and minimal movement. The important thing to remember is I used & modified the factory parts instead of simply installing aftermarket parts.

    I'm here to tell yall that the plastic housings DO NOT affect the function as I thought they would. It DID feel mushy until I tuned it, but honestly-how many of us actually leave our 10/22s stock without doing anything to them?
     
  16. rexaroonie

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    Great, thats good to know. Guess I can send mine out for a trigger job. Now we just have to wait YEARS to see how long the plastic will last in the enviroment
     
  17. c3shooter

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    Plastic, huh? "If it's made by Mattell- it's swell!" :D

    Sorry- could not resist- especially since I just finishing wiping down a Marlin 39A from 1954......
     
  18. stalkingbear

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    I'm NOT a fan of plastic-everybody knows that. But when something does perform from what little I've put it through so far, I HAD to be honest. After all, how many would have put it (complete trigger housing assembly) through washer & dryer cycles, as well as throwing it repeatedly against the ground & concrete walkway? Bottom line-it does work and I had to eat crow about the trigger being lousy in it-AFTER reworking/tuning (as usual on 10/22s). Your Marlin 39A is pure class. If I had any say in it, everything would be steel & fine walnut.
     
  19. fragout

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    What are you planning for your next test?
     
  20. stalkingbear

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    I'm not sure except to heat it up to test for warpage. Got any suggestions?