Considering buying a Mosin

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Bearsdad40cc, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. Bearsdad40cc

    Bearsdad40cc New Member

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    I'm considering buying a Mosin for my first rifle. #1 for the cost and #2 I enjoy WWII history. What should I like for when buying one ie type, country, condition any other advice?
     
  2. Garadex

    Garadex New Member

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    The Finnish variants are generally seen as more accurate than the Russian ones. Of the russian variants hex receiver ones from Tula arsenal are usually more sought after. As to condition make sure that there aren't any bends or cracks in anything unless you plan on repairing it; with the exception of the receiver, don't buy one with a damaged receiver. Good luck on the search and I'm certain more people will be by with advice.
     

  3. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    Four things to keep in mind...

    1-Bore

    2-Bore

    3-Bore

    4-Crown

    It's most likely not going to be perfect but look for pitting and excessive wear.

    You should probably avoid anything that's been counterbored...

    The mil-surp ammo is corrosive (primers) so give it a good bath with hot soapy water after a range trip.

    Usually a gun shop will get them by the crate, 20 per crate. You might be able to choose from a few. Bring a bore light and a rag...(They're coated in grease for storage)

    Matching numbers is considered more desirable but does not matter much as far as performance is concerned...

    The hex receivers are a little harder to come by and generally cost 25-50 bucks more, the last of them being produced in 1935 IIRC...

    Good luck in your search and post some pics when you find one!! :cool:
     
  4. potentialglock

    potentialglock New Member

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    I own one and its honestly a fun project to remove the cosmoline. But its super hard to find a place to shoot them unless you're a member of an outdoor range.
     
  5. Bearsdad40cc

    Bearsdad40cc New Member

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    Thanx for the info guys. I found the Mosin thread in curio and relics, the thread where y'all are discussing a separate cat. for Mosins, lots of info. Learned about counter bore and how the bolt handle sticks out. Forgot to mention earlier, I found 2 in my LGS, 1 for $129 and the other they said is a sniper version w/ scope for $499. What's sniper version?
     
  6. Old_Crow

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    Not worth $499 from a practical standpoint. If your asking this question your not a collector. If you are handy with a grinder and a belt sander you can make a pre-WWII hex model shoot well enough to use it for a hunting weapon. Most of the 91/30's are meant to be shot with the bayonet in place. Which means you will need to grind/sand about 3/8" off the rear sight ramp to be able to use the front sight.

    If you plan to hunt with a mosin nagant 91/30 don't even bother shooting milsurp ammo. The 203 gr Brown Bear SP shoots about 6" higher than milsurp at 100 yards.

    Make sure all the serial numbers match. If the serial numbers don't match the gun is just pieces someone just threw together. Some people will accept a forced match which is a gun the serial numbers have been struck thru and a new serial number has been stamped on it. I will have nothing to do with a forced match rifle.

    Take a bore light with you. When you look down the barrel it should look like a new rifle. Avoid rifles that have been counter bored. When you look at the area were the bolt handle locks in the firing position you want to be able to see the machine marks from machining the receiver. That means the gun was likely never put into service. The most attractive rifle in the bunch is seldom the best. If the gun was never put into service the forestock will be stained black.

    When you get the gun home hose it down with WD40. Let it sit overnight -Then hose it down again before wiping it down. A 20 gauge brush and mop will fit into the receiver. Use your old one if you have more than one brush and mop, it will be trashed by the time you get the gun clean.
     
  7. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    What everybody else said, first. Wise they all are. Listen to them you

    should.

    My take, get either a mint M44, be it Russian, Polish, or Romanian.

    Or the T53 version of the M44-same gun but Chinese origin.

    It'll cost about twice the price of the average 91/30, but:

    1. It's a great little carbine, much more practical, and easier to

    handle than a 91/30, because of the shorter barrel.

    2. You can hunt with it. The built-in bayonet makes it especially

    nice against wild boar, in short brush terrain.

    3. It's a very passable SHTF gun.

    4. If you get a really nice one, it will set the standard for

    future Mosin purchases, and you wont wind up with any

    dodgy pieces of crap.



    About 250-300$ should get you a clean one.

    Frankly, I'm a little surprised nobody's mentioned the rifle's insane fun

    factor...
     
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  8. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    My advice would be, if you are looking for a collectable shooter, at a decent price is to buy an M-91/30 for no more than $120.00 out the door. Pay attention to the condition of the bore, most are fine, because they came through a refurbishment process that culled the bad bores. If you get one from a shop, selling a crate of rifles, you are better off. Most of the damage to the bores happened in the good old US by Bubbas not cleaning the rifles after shooting. Don't let a counter-bore stop you from buying. The front of the rifliling was damged by the cleaning process and the rifles were counter-bored to correct the issue. Counter bore is a good thing, not a bad thing.

    After selecting, first, on the quality of the bore, then pick one that looks good to you. Matching numbers on the barrel shank, the bolt, the magazine floor-plate and the butt-plate are a good thing, if they are stamped, rather than electro-penciled, it is better. Some folks sell them with a matchin bayonet number as well, but keep in mind that all of the matching was done during refurbishment, and few of the "matching" parts will actually be original to the rifle on the day it left the factory.

    Older rifles attract more attention, the hex receivers are generally more desired, though they are, in no way superior to the round receivers. If you are buying to shoot, it doesn't make any difference.

    I would also advise you to keep the rifle original. The price of these guns is going to go way up within a few short years. Even refinishing the stock will detract a great deal from the value. Any other permanant alterations will keep your rifle from rising in value.

    It is very important to maintain the rifle properly. There are plenty of good threads here, and onl other forums on how to properly clean the rile. Believe me, it is worth it to do it right. Delaying the proper cleaning by just a few days can ruin a good shooting rifle. There are Mosin-Nagant specific gun forums that have an amazing amount of very detailed information about these rifles, availiable for you to study, it is worth while to check them out.

    You must be aware that buying a Mosin-Nagant can be the begining of an addiction to these rifles. I bought my first only about five years ago, I now have over 40 of them, and I see no end in sight.
     
  9. Mosin

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    Depends on what you're looking for. Me and my buddies use Mosins for deer hunting. However, in order to accurately hit the deer, we hunt like this...
     

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  10. Bearsdad40cc

    Bearsdad40cc New Member

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    Thanx for all the great advice guys. I'm looking for a cool, military rifle for plinking and for SHTF. I've recently got into firearms ( past 6 months) I have my CCL and I carry a M&P shield 40 cal. I was considering a .22 rifle for "most common ammo" but after buying a box of 22 bullets I've changed my mind. LoL. After a lot of reading on here and mil surplus mag decided to go for the Mosin. I also have a century AK on Layaway.
     
  11. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    Here's a cool site for ya if you're interested in the history factor...

    http://7.62x54r.net/

    Lots of other info as well...

    Love the avatar BTW!! :D :D
     
  12. Bearsdad40cc

    Bearsdad40cc New Member

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    Love the avatar BTW!! :D :

    Thanx Bro
     
  13. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    If the $499 Mosin is a authentic sniper I would get it.. Those prices are not gonna last long..

    A couple of years ago a $500 "sniper" was more than likely a fake, but over the last couple of years a lot of Mosin snipers have been imported; from what Ive read on some of the collector forums, the supply is already starting to dry up...
     
  14. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Get a mosin, they are a good bang for your buck, and a lot of fun. I would definitely get a .22 though, they are a better bang for your buck. You can hone your skills with a .22, shooting all day for a few dollars.
     
  15. Garadex

    Garadex New Member

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    I don't know but my counter bored, forced match Mosin shoots just fine.
     
  16. Old_Crow

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    The reason say no to forced match and counter bored is I want a riffle with little or no use. If the OP is happy to accept a gun with heavy use that is on him. I have only purchased 3 Mosin Nagants. I went around town digging through crate after crate until I found a rifle that had very little use. Yes, I paid more than $120 but I got a rifle that was in very good shape and had very little use. Millions of Mosin Nagants were never issued. If you are happy with less that is your business.
     
  17. Garadex

    Garadex New Member

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    I think it was the M44's that were counter bored as part of the re-arsenal process.
     
  18. dteed4094

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    Mosins filled a niche or me, I couldn't go to a gun shop without buying a gun and usually a gun I couldn't really afford. When I was introduced to them I had never heard of or seen a Mosin Nagant so I knew zero about them. I would likely have not bought the specific rile I got that day because it was counter bored. As it turns out it my best shoouting Mosin even though less desireable because of that reason. I based my selection on overall appearance, It was the worst lot of 91/30s I have yet to see. If it wasn't for the counter bore I would say none were rearsenaled. $99 out the door, how could I go wrong? Knowing what many hours in forums and playing with the 9 rifles I have acquired since I would not give that shops selection a second look. Aim surplus is a very good site to deal with as is R&R guns, I have been very pleased with dealing with them and all aspects of buying from them.
     
  19. big shrek

    big shrek Well-Known Member

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    Get your C&R, Get your C&R, Get your C&R, Get your C&R, Get your C&R, Get your C&R,
    Get your C&R, Get your C&R, Get your C&R, Get your C&R, Get your C&R, Get your C&R!!!

    Best $35 you will EVER spend!!
    Not to mention being a licensed FFL and being able to give the Gov't the FINGER if they pass
    any crappy laws over the next 4 years...


    Is that a big enough hint??
     
  20. Old_Crow

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    It's a lot of work to get a 91/30 shooting well enough to satisfy me. When I am done with a 91/30 it is just as accurate as a marlin model 60 with open sights at 100 yards shooting Brown Bear 203 gr SP ammo. Other than bedding the barrel with cork I have found very little info online that was actually helpful. Most of the tricks I use are from 30 years ago when you could buy a an SKS for $10 wholesale by the case. I had a FFL then and had no problem reselling my rifles. The only people that had accuracy issues were those people who insisted on shooting Russian hollow point ammo.