Considering a Kel-Tec P9 or P11 in 9mm

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by Don Davis, Jul 25, 2010.

  1. Don Davis

    Don Davis New Member

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    I'm considering getting a Kel-Tec in 9mm.

    Do you like your Kel-Tec?

    I've heard several people say that they wished they had gotten a P9 because it is smaller than the P11.

    I copied this from the Kel-Tec website:

    Kel-Tec P11 Chrome $390
    Calibers: 9 x 19 mm Luger
    Weight unloaded: 14 oz.
    Loaded magazine: 6 oz.
    Length: 5.6"
    Height: 4.3"
    Width: 1"
    Barrel Length: 3.1"
    Sight radius: 4.6"
    Capacity: 10 + 1 *****
    Trigger Pull: 9 lbs

    Kel-Tec PF9 - Chrome $390
    Calibers: 9mm Luger 9x19mm
    Weight unloaded: 12.7 oz.
    Loaded magazine: 2.8 oz.
    Length: 5.85"
    Height: 4.3"
    Width: .88"
    Barrel Length: 3.1"
    Capacity: 7 + 1 ***

    What am I missing they look very similar in size.

    The weight difference is only because of the additional bullets ??

    I'm thinking about getting one or the other of these guns.

    Any help / advice would be appreciated if you got any

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  2. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    The PF9 is smaller. Both have crappy triggers, spotty reputation, and are exactly what you would expect for the price.

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  4. Don Davis

    Don Davis New Member

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    Thanks for the suggestions

    A poster on another gun forum posted:

    Kel-Tec P11 is true double action with a hammer.

    And has double-strike capability.

    Does that mean that the P9 is striker fired gun?

    I have seen a P11 and it does have a hammer.

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  5. freefall

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    Pf9 is a striker fired gun, I think the trigger is totally acceptable. I heart mine, it's my most carried piece. Is it as nice as my Kimber ? No. Is it as reliable and accurate as my beloved Security Six? Hell no. Do I think it will hold up for thousands of rounds in practice sessions? Probably not. Do I think I can defend myself and the Lovely Mrs with it? You betcha. It's easy to shoot pretty well, it hasn't failed on me in admittedly limited shooting, it's VERY easy to conceal. I like it, I carry it. I wish it was a .45.
     
  6. Gojubrian

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    That's just the thing. People like them that do not shoot them much. People that shoot them alot don't like them. My dad has a p11 and it sucks. :D
     
  7. Fleetman

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    Both the PF9 and P-11 have a DAO mechanism with a hammer. The PF9 does not have a double-strike capability.

    I own both as well as the P3AT. The PF9 is a regular carry gun and I have never had a malfunction with it or the P-11. The P3AT is another story though.

    The optional trigger shoes from Keltec help make the triggers more comfortable on both but, if you choose this route, should use a little Loc-Tite on the screws. I didn't trust either shoe until I had a minimum of 500 rounds through each.
     
  8. Esteban

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    I consider them both to be sub-compact. Therefore, not the most pleasant to shoot. BUT, either one will do the job as a CCW. Remember, these are defensive weapons & not made to go out & target practice with +p ammo at 50 yards. I have the P-11. Takes some getting used to but I am pleased & feel very comfortable & well protected with it.
     
  9. Sooie

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    Love my pf9. Great bang for the buck. Mines flawless at 200 rounds. Perfect cc gun.

    The hogue handall jr is mandatory. And I prefer no extension.
     
  10. freefall

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    I have heard ill reports about the P11 and it's crappy trigger. My PF9 is my most carried handgun. I've fired around 200 rds through it. I'm comfortable with it.
     
  11. Esteban

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    I wouldn't exactly term it " crappy, " but it is long & harder to pull. No more than most revolvers in double action. The PF9 is better, though. Many owners are very pleased with these, & if customer service is needed, it is great !
     
  12. Don Davis

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    I bought a P11 Friday night - brought it home & cleaned it.

    I went to the range today and put about 125 rounds through my P11.

    I found the following:

    It does not kick anywhere near as hard as I expected.

    It was more accurate than I expected.

    I found that you are correct "you might find the trigger needs a little de-horning on the tip to keep it from digging into your finger" the trigger tip needs to have the bump on the tip removed.

    I had 4 jams (mainly stove pipes - failure to completely remove the spent shell) out of my 1st 120 rounds - more than I expected .

    It fit well in my front pocket in a DeSantis Nemesis holster.

    It fit well in my hand.

    I need to add the finger extension on each of my magazines.

    I think I'm going to replace the plastic guide rod with a stainless steel rod (no reason other than looks)

    Trigger pull is longer than I expected, but fairly consistent in where it breaks.

    Sights are much better than my Ruger LCP.

    I'm eager to clean it and finish "breaking it in".

    If the ejection (stove pipes) go away.

    Overall - I very satisfied with my Kel-Tec 11.

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  13. SK2344

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    Instead of the PF9, I would get the Walther PPS and instead pf the P11, I would get the Glock 26. Go ahead and compare these two against the Kel-Tec's and I think you will find them to be almost the same size but better quality with more firepower. Just my opinion from experience with these guns. I own a Kel-Tec 3AT and use it in a pocket holster or my ankle holster and have had no problems with this gun but when it comes to the 9mm, I choose the two that I mentioned.
     
  14. Esteban

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    KTOG.Org - Kel-Tec Owners Group

    The above site has a " Tec Works " link on the left & also a bulletin board.[ forum ] That can be of great help.
    A good cleaning , polishing of the feed ramp, [ most any new pistol needs this done ] & greasing of the rails, makes most problems go away. These little pistols are affected by " limp wristing," which is probably the reason for the stove pipes. The finger extension gives you a better grip & that will help with that. A Hogue slip on grip will, too. Most ammo seems to work well in mine except for aluminum cased . Probably another 1-200 rounds thru it will help get it broken in. A fingernail file on the tip of the trigger & inside bottom of the trigger guard will help with the finger pinching. Get some " snap caps " & practice.
     
  15. Don Davis

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    SK2344

    I've got a Glock 26 and it's a great gun, but not as easy to carry as the P11.

    As for the Walther PPS

    It's bigger and the ugliest Walther ever made imho -(i own 2 beautiful Walthers and I love Walthers ) and the cost is more than double.

    +1 Esteban thanks for the solid advise.
     
  16. gatopardo

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    The Pf9 is a better conceal because of its width, hence the 7+1 load, here a picture of how thin this thing is:
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    As for the price I paid aprox US$320+tax for this baby, the price on the website is a manufacturers recommended price.

    How does it feel, the trigger has the feeling of a rugger-LCR .38spl is long, the real trigger action starts almost at the end of the pull.
    It doesn't have a thumb safe, the safety mechanism is incorporated in the hammer, which is never completely cocked and is blocked from accidental discharge.

    Another difference is the pf9 has a tactical rail if you'd like to put a light or laser.

    This too is purely for self defense, for continuous firing at the range smooth out edges of the frame with fine sandpaper and apply a rubber grip from bicycle tire chamber, a 16" is good, and it helps grab the pistol when drawing practice, it won't slip from your fingers.

    Now mind you I've tried to conceal several pistols an none comes close to this one, it'll fit your pocket with the right holster, inside an oversized lefty in the SOB is practically invisible, you can literally tuck a shirt in.

    Here with night sights from glow-on.com since it is impossible to find after market sights for it.
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    In any case when we all go to the range everyone seems to favor this little pistol, we actually burn a lot of 9mm's with it
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  17. Esteban

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    My P-11 with 15 round + 1 magazine. That is a S & W Model 59 mag with heavier Wolf Springs. It is so NASTY !
     

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  18. gatopardo

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    In the land of my ancestors

    In the land of my ancestors people still ride horses and carry 1911's with what looks like a 30 round mag:eek:
     
  19. jaxgunslinger

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    If you are thinking about a Kel-tec P11 check out the SCCY CPX-2 Second Generation

    The CPX is very similar to the P-11, but with a much better trigger pull. I had a P-11 for a while, but it was very unpleasant to shoot. The SCCY 2nd Gen CPX has more features, same basic size and weight, and is very reliable. I purchased mine last week and have put 200 rounds through in without a hickup. I bought mine brand new (stainless)out the door with two mags for $246.00. They also make the same gun with an external safety. Stay away from the original Sccy models they have a terrible record.
    The Kel-tec PF-9 is a great gun. I've had three of them. Sweet little gun especially with a Hoge slip on grip.
     
  20. fmj

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    Gatopardo, i LOVE those sights!!!! i MUST get a set for my PF-9!! MUST! MUST!! MUST!!!