Concealed Carry/Personal Defense Weapon

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by fp_23, Dec 6, 2011.

  1. fp_23

    fp_23 New Member

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    Im pretty new to handguns (own a 12 gauge shotty though) and im looking for something great for concealed carry/personal protection.

    something small. reliable. great to use in a pinch. and durable.

    small reliable and durable are most important to me.

    I dont want something likely to jam or made of cheap materials.

    Ive browsed online and the sig p238 seems good for its size but ive never owned a handgun previously. if it makes any difference im just a tad over 6ft tall and just under 200lbs.

    i work a job where others may try to rob us at a moments notice...so i need to be safe and feel comfortable. something that can fit in my jeans/jacket, etc.


    also something that is quick and easy to operate...nothing too complicated in terms of its design/functions.

    any/all info appreciated.
     
  2. MrWray

    MrWray New Member

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    What about a commander size 1911 .45acp?
     

  3. Alpha1Victor

    Alpha1Victor New Member

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    I own a sig p238 and I have nothing but great things to say about it. I use it mainly when I go running in the mornings. My primary gun is a wilson combat cqb. Its a commander sized(4.25 in barrel). Not real hard to conceal and is arguably the best gun ever made. Referencing the 1911 platform.

    Signing out, Alpha1victor.
     
  4. fp_23

    fp_23 New Member

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    What brand do you suggest?

    good to hear. I heard the p238 had a recall or something? i assume now the issue it resolved?

    the wilson combat cqb is out of my price range lol. it says it starts at $2500.

    im definitely looking to spend less than 1K. i don't mind buying used either so long as its in good condition.

    what caught my eye about the p238 is the size pretty much. I also like that some versions come with a laser sight which would be great for intense situations (takes some of the pressure off aiming as its pretty much "point and shoot".)

    so guns with laser sights go to the front of the line as well.
     
  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    I would recommend the new springfield xdm 3.8 in 45acp or colt defender/new agent.

    All three under 1000 new very reliable. My personal carry is a colt new agent in 45acp. Slim lightweight has 7+1 capacity can still use standard 1911 magazines. Easy and fast to shoot. Feels like im just carrying a cellphone on my side.

    Im interested in a xdm compact as i hate to admit i kinda like my xdm fullsize better than my fullsize 1911s :eek:
     
  6. fp_23

    fp_23 New Member

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    so we all agree pistol > revolver for my uses?
     
  7. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I also have a Sig 238 and it is a great little pistol. No malfunctions, accurate and easy to shoot. It wont beat you to death. It also has very good night sights standard. You are big enough that you might be able to carry something more substantial There are too many to recommend just one. Check out several different pistols or revolvers. See what fits your hand and what you can comfortably carry. Narrow the field and then see if you can shoot the ones you are interested in. The one thing I look hard at is whether the gun points naturally. I close my eyes and bring the gun up. When I open my eyes the gun has to be pointing in the right direction without bending my wrist or shifting my grip. I immediately discard any that dont.
     
  8. fp_23

    fp_23 New Member

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    thats good advice. So i assume guns that point naturally are well balanced and not top/bottom heavy?

    im pretty new to handguns even though i have a handgun safety certificate (necessary to buy a handgun in my state of california).

    where can i go to shoot guns im interested in? i been to an armory (had to for my handgun cert) but didnt see where/how i could fire one of them as it was just a bunch of cases of firearms.
     
  9. Alpha1Victor

    Alpha1Victor New Member

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    The recall has be finalized. To be honest with you... Scrap the laser idea. The laser on the p238 is a switch on/off and is difficult to do with one hand. If the situation arises, the last thing your going to be thinking is I need to turn on my laser. You will want to be sending rounds down range. Also using a laser on your gun is frowned upon in a court of law. They will see you either as not being proficient with your gun(bad) or use of excessive force(bad). I have seen this happen in court. If the perp is close enough you can just point and shoot without using sights.

    Just my .02

    Signing out, Alpha1victor.
     
  10. hardluk1

    hardluk1 Active Member

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    Go out and get a well used S&W airweight J frame revolver in 38sp. Good CC handgun .They hold up well and can bought cheap and conceal very easy then as you find your self at the range start asking questions and most shooter will let someone try what they have, You will with some time find a another you just have to have.
     
  11. fp_23

    fp_23 New Member

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    I didn't consider that. I just was looking at the potential upside.

    I may have to scrap that idea. I know the public would interpret it differently (as you said) but just for the record the reason i liked it is because if i did have enough time to turn the laser on it would just make me just that much more safe and confident i could land the first shot (in the event they have a gun of their own) but you're right.


    Revolvers seem great as they rarely jam unless the gun has a serious malfunction but I dislike the fact that i only get 5-8 shots and its hard to reload if need be.

    At least w/ pistols i can eject the mag and put in a freshly loaded clip in within a few short seconds.

    Idk. i have a lot of hard decisions to make.


    Also...the Sig Sauer i was falling in love with (p238) apparently isn't an option in my state: California. I failed to realize that it said on their site that its restricted in CA.

    idk how or why as the mag holds less than 10 shots (i heard ca legal guns must have 10 or less magazine capacity to be CA legal. im not sure what other restrictions there are. well except for fully autos.

    so back to square one.
     
  12. undumb

    undumb New Member

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    The j-frame s&w .38, s&w bodyguard .380, ruger LCP... A small concealable " mouse " gun is all you need. 5-6 rounds are more than enough. More than likely, when it is absolutely necessary to pull the trigger, you will only be 3-5 yards away, the .38 and the .380 have plenty of stopping power at that distance.
    The odds of you ever being in a Hollywood style shoot-out are astronomical.
    If you empty a 12 round clip at someone that's more than 7 yards away, you will probably have some "major"legal issues.
     
  13. JonM

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    i do a lot of shooting at public ranges. ive seen a LOT of lasers in use but ive never seen any evidence that lasers improve aim. some of the absolute worst shooting ive witnessed has been by people with lasers.

    my opinion is that starting out and pretending lasers bypass the fundamentals of marksmanship is a key way to ensure the bad guy shoots you dead.

    my advice whatever firearm you choose laser or not leave the laser off when you practice. concentrate on proper stance, grip, sight picture, and trigger control. the laser wil not bypass that.

    a laser in the hands of a skilled marksman well schooled in the fundamentals is a superb tool for self defense. a laser in the hands of a person with the false belief it makes them a better shot is a fast track to the county morgue.
     
  14. lonewolf101

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    you cant use a laser to hunt with in Wis. thats per the DNR nazi"s.

    most all self defense gun battles takes place around 10 feet or less so why would a person need a laser? iron sights is what you need close up.
     
  15. trip286

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    All this talk about lasers, I checked out a laser bedecked kel tec 9mm at a local pawn shop a couple days ago. I looked at the laser dot and the sights while I aimed it at the store safe's door (of course the weapon was clear y'all) and POA for sights and laser dot were about 6 inches away from each other, at about 10 feet. Most are adjustable I think, but I too recommend practice, practice, practice. Make it become second nature, sight picture/sight alignment. If you ever get to the point where you can pick up your carry gun, close your eyes, present your weapon in a firing position, open your eyes and the sight picture/alignment are perfect, you know your doing something right.
     
  16. Billy9mm

    Billy9mm Member Supporter

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    Consider a Kel-tec P-11 9mm, 10 + 1 concealable and dependable, good little pistols....
     
  17. Buff

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    1. Kahr CW9
    2. Ruger LC9
    3. Kel-Tec PF9
     
  18. jimbobpissypants

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    The 238 is an excellent little mouse gun. If you want something lighter, check out the LCP.
    The LCP is just as reliable, lighter, but has no real sights.
    I own a Colt Mustang, which is the gun that the 238 essentially copied. (They are like twins) Great little gun, but very heavy for a little gun. As a result, I never carry the all metal gun, in favor of the LCP(I pocket carry the mouse guns, as I only carry a mouse gun in the heat of summer, with very few clothes on)

    As far as a laser is concerned, practice can't be beat. Tiny guns like these are not intended to be shot at distance. They are really intended for 5 to 15 ft. Point shooting is really what a user will be doing.
    I do have a laser on my lcp, but it is mostly on there to use as a deterent. That little red dot can be a real eye opener.
     
  19. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Of all the small 380's, the Sig 238 has the crispest, lightest trigger by far. I'm hesitant to call it best, but it is in my opinion. That's the big reason I ruled it out immediately. When you draw that gun, you are guaranteed to be in a high stress situation with enough adrenalin running through your veins to make an 8 pound trigger feel like 8 ounces. The last thing I want in that situation is an accidental discharge.

    I also carry in pocket, and I'm not comfortable carrying a short, single action trigger in my pocket. In a holster I think it would be fine.

    I recommend you try out several pocket guns and other CC options.

    For myself, I carry a Smith & Wesson Bodyguard 380. Small form factor, real sights on it that can be changed (I have a set of XS Big Dot sights on mine) long DAO trigger, easy to break down, safety (kind of superfluous with the DAO trigger), last shot hold open, and laser (great for training).
     
  20. Riverg420

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    Can't go wrong with a Sig !