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Going to look in it more...but apparently there is a loop hole in Alabama where I can't buy pistols of course...BUT I can conceal carry them if I take a handgun course with an Alabama Sheriff or etc. I can only conceal carry if I'm in a high risk job of some sort...or I'm handling lots of money.


I figure since I handle over 1000-2000 Bucks worth of money...a DAY in my restaurant job and live in a semi-bad part of the neighborhood for this city at least, I can possibly conceal carry.


Anyone else hear of something like this? Don't quote me for fact I'm going to look into the laws again.

I'm going to research it more and perhaps if it's true I'll take the course and conceal carry in the near future with a CZ-82.
 

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last i knew it was illegal for any persons to carry a handgun in the states. with the exception of military and leo. i wouldnt risk it for one reason only, lawyers. if you were to shoot someone and they had a damn good shark on the payroll your going to jail for attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon as well as illegal carry of a firearm. but if it is true and you can get certified then hey.. more power to ya
 

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Yeah I thought so too...but apparantly some parts of Bama you can CCW

Like Shelby county it's very rural and they allow CCW at 18 which is good.

I'm in Jefferson so I can't do it.
 

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The laws are going to vary from state to state. I'm not aware of any states that will issue a permit to anyone under 21, but I do know that there are some states that allow those under 21 to open carry. I'm just not sure if Alabama is one.
 

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If it's illegal for you to buy a pistol at age 18, then I would think this means possession. Obviously something overlooked in statutes. Loopholes are just that........loose-holes is what I call them (keep your mind out of the gutter here). Loosely interpreted is what I mean. Never depend on loopholes keeping you out of jail, trouble, or getting your pistol taken away.
 

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If it's illegal for you to buy a pistol at age 18, then I would think this means possession. Obviously something overlooked in statutes. Loopholes are just that........loose-holes is what I call them (keep your mind out of the gutter here). Loosely interpreted is what I mean. Never depend on loopholes keeping you out of jail, trouble, or getting your pistol taken away.
Federal law only prevents a person under 21 from purchasing a handgun from a FFL. It doesn't prevent possession or ownership through private purchase or gift.

That leaves the ownership and/or possession up to individual states. Tennessee, for example, only prevents minors from having firearms (with some exceptions), but will not issue a Handgun Carry Permit to anyone under 21.
 

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Anytime there's a discrepancy in federal and state or local law, ALWAYS err to the side of caution or the stricter law to play it safe. Since you are under the age of 21, it IS against federal law to purchase or possess handguns. I could only assume if you are carrying, that would be defined as being in possession. You're going to do what you want anyway, just remember you were warned. And as an FFL holder-we HAVE to stay abreast of federal law.
 

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Anytime there's a discrepancy in federal and state or local law, ALWAYS err to the side of caution or the stricter law to play it safe. Since you are under the age of 21, it IS against federal law to purchase or possess handguns. I could only assume if you are carrying, that would be defined as being in possession. You're going to do what you want anyway, just remember you were warned. And as an FFL holder-we HAVE to stay abreast of federal law.
Would you care to back up your assertion that it is illegal for a person under 21 to purchase a firearm from a private person or recieve one as a gift and for them to have possession, under Federal law?

USC Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 44 § 922 (b)(1) is the only place that talks about age. This applies ONLY to FFLs.
(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—
(1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age;
 

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You are STILL attempting to twist the facts of HANDGUN and LONG GUN-carefully read the EXACT same statute you quoted-it says LONG GUN and says nothing about handgun. SURE I'll be delighted to get into the finer points of federal firearms law as applies to FFL holders AND private individuals. Remember when dealing with BATFE, the slightest miscalculation of interpetation or misread statute is what makes the difference between law abiding and illegal. Do you REALLY care to get into detailed discussion about firearms law with someone that DOES study firearms laws as hobby AND because I have to?









Would you care to back up your assertion that it is illegal for a person under 21 to purchase a firearm from a private person or recieve one as a gift and for them to have possession, under Federal law?

USC Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 44 § 922 (b)(1) is the only place that talks about age. This applies ONLY to FFLs.
 

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I've lived in Jefferson County most of my life, and was a Deputy here for a number of years.
I received my original carry permit at the age of 19. There was a little more checking than for those 21 or over, but I got it with no special circumstances.
I could not purchase from a FFL, but I could purchase privately.
Call the Sheriff's office, and ask for the Sgt over permits. You'll get the straight skinny from him. The process takes about 2 weeks, and I'm not aware of a course requirement.
 

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You are STILL attempting to twist the facts of HANDGUN and LONG GUN-carefully read the EXACT same statute you quoted-it says LONG GUN and says nothing about handgun. SURE I'll be delighted to get into the finer points of federal firearms law as applies to FFL holders AND private individuals. Remember when dealing with BATFE, the slightest miscalculation of interpetation or misread statute is what makes the difference between law abiding and illegal. Do you REALLY care to get into detailed discussion about firearms law with someone that DOES study firearms laws as hobby AND because I have to?
Not one bit of twisting of anything. You are just wrong about the federal statute.

The statute does not mention handguns, specifically. It does state explicitly that any firearm OTHER than a shotgun or rifle can only be sold to someone 21 or over by a FFL. "Other than a shotgun or rifle" includes handguns, does it not?

The entire statute has no other age provisions in the entire text. That makes it very clear to me that the matter of private transfers are regulated at the discretion of the state.
 

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The best thing to do is call your local state/county government and find out straight from them.

I believe stalkingbear has good advice. Err always to the stricter rule. Do the research yourself and you'll find the straight forward answer.

Mark Robert also has a good point in that you can contact the local LEO. They will not steer you wrong.

Trying to find loopholes will ultimately get you in trouble. My advice would be to wait until you are 21 years of age, take a class or two for safety, then get your permit.
 

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FEDERAL law does not regulate a sale by a private citizen to another private citizen- it does regulate the actions of licensed dealers, collectors, etc. YES, some states allow possession by persons under the age of 21. As the man said, check your state law.
 

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Alabama CCW is possible. I have a CCW permit in Madison County (Huntsville) and have had it for a while now. Alabama does it by county, and lets each decide, which is REALLY odd. My CCW has reciprocity with several states, including our neighboring states.

Are you carrying because you want to or because you need to? Want isn't enough justification. Being a waiter handling $$ may not be significant enough for your money justification (you can offload $$ to the back or other main registers like at the bar).

I didn't have to have any classes with the sheriff or NRA to get mine, which I felt REALLY odd. But that doesn't mean I haven't had training. ;)
 

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Are you carrying because you want to or because you need to? Want isn't enough justification. Being a waiter handling $$ may not be significant enough for your money justification (you can offload $$ to the back or other main registers like at the bar).

I didn't have to have any classes with the sheriff or NRA to get mine, which I felt REALLY odd. But that doesn't mean I haven't had training. ;)
"Want" is a perfectly fine reason to carry. As far as I'm concerned, you don't need a reason to exercise a right.

Training is a good thing, but should, IMO, not be required for a person to be able to carry.
 

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I have researched it...and emailed from the Sheriff's page on the main website of the guy who apparantly handle permits...not sure but I think so.

He told me no exceptions have to be 21 and such.

Although I did get a confirmation on other counties allowing CCW at 18.

Either way I'll look into it more...most likely I won't have to care in a couple of years anyway.


But I deal with cash that never moves or goes to the back as that is the policy of the restaurant...I'm no waiter I'm a cashier.

It's a serve yourself...meaning you order up front and pay first...then you get your food....(actually works better this way since no one gets a free meal)

I don't want to be stuck where I have nothing to defend myself with from an attacker or robber. I want to be able to take down the badguy before he takes ME out.

As my friend Burt Gummer from Tremors once said, "When you need it....and don't have it....you sing a different tune."



But it looks like for now I won't be carrying. Unless I find something that states I can in black and white.
 

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think before you talk

The laws are going to vary from state to state. I'm not aware of any states that will issue a permit to anyone under 21, but I do know that there are some states that allow those under 21 to open carry. I'm just not sure if Alabama is one.
hey Glock30Owner if you can't buy a handgun at 18 how can you open carry it.
 

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they don't psycho's ?

I have researched it...and emailed from the Sheriff's page on the main website of the guy who apparantly handle permits...not sure but I think so.

He told me no exceptions have to be 21 and such.

Although I did get a confirmation on other counties allowing CCW at 18.

Either way I'll look into it more...most likely I won't have to care in a couple of years anyway.


But I deal with cash that never moves or goes to the back as that is the policy of the restaurant...I'm no waiter I'm a cashier.

It's a serve yourself...meaning you order up front and pay first...then you get your food....(actually works better this way since no one gets a free meal)

I don't want to be stuck where I have nothing to defend myself with from an attacker or robber. I want to be able to take down the badguy before he takes ME out.

As my friend Burt Gummer from Tremors once said, "When you need it....and don't have it....you sing a different tune."



But it looks like for now I won't be carrying. Unless I find something that states I can in black and white.
Hey Jirozero looking at your photo i wouldn't issue you a permit to carry , you look like a PSYCHO.
 

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Er... Ruger... this thread is over a year and a half old. Jiro's in the Navy now, don't think he's looking to carry at this time....
 
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