Completely Clueless

Discussion in 'Optics & Mounts' started by Polygon, Oct 19, 2012.

  1. Polygon

    Polygon New Member

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    That's what I am.

    I just bought my first real rifle. I say real because I have some .22s, but I have no guns with a scope. This will be my first and I know nothing about gun optics. I'm into photography, but I don't know how well that translates.

    Anyhow, the gun is a Ruger 77 in .243 Winchester. Could you guys help me pick out a scope for this thing?
     
  2. M1Anut

    M1Anut New Member

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    Guess it depends on what you're gonna do with your rifle. Rule of thumb, I'd rather have a cheap rifle and a great scope, not the other way around. Just a thought!
     

  3. Polygon

    Polygon New Member

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    Yeah, I certainly don't want to cut corners and buy a cheap scope. The gun will be mostly used for target shooting. However, I won't rule out deer hunting either.
     
  4. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The 243 is a very accurate round and the 77 is a nice rifle. Good for varmints through deer. For target and hunting a good variable in the range of 3-12X or 4-16X would be good options. 3-9X would keep the cost lower in good glass. I would rather have a 3-9X in a better scope than a higher power in a cheaper scope. For a USA made scope look at Leupold/Redfield and possibly Burris. Not all of the Burris scopes are USA. Lots of good imports out there.
     
  5. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    I will second the Leupold/Redfield recommendation and add Nikon to the list along with Bushnell 3200 or 4200 series scopes as solid but affordable scopes.
     
  6. jpattersonnh

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    Ok, If there is a possibility of Deer hunting, That changes things. A Weaver V10 is a VG scope at the bottom of the spectrum. I've had one on my 7mm Rem Mag for a few years now. Could be used for both. I really like Sightron scopes, The SII 3-12x42mm. Either the Standard SII or the SII big sky are great scopes. The MOA adjustments are exactly repeatable as the design is far superior to other manufacturers.
     
  7. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Not all Redfields are USA made. They have an import line now.
     
  8. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

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    Isn't Redfield the low end import line owned by Leupold? The Redfield Company of Denver has been gone for years. It was owned by the Brown Shoe company and Talon Zipper before being shut down by the EPA. The Trademark is now property of Leupold. Redfields are made in Asia.:(
     
  9. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It depends on which line. The revolution models are domestic, revenge is asian.
     
  10. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    They all have Asian glass. As do many German scopes.
     
  11. Polygon

    Polygon New Member

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    Perfect!

    This is the kind of thing I'm clueless about, the different power levels of scopes and how to match them up with what gun and calibe you're shooting. I had a felling that Leupold was one of the brands I would be looking at. Never heard of Burris, I'll check them out too!

    Thanks!

    I also love photography and I'm a Nikon guy. I was wondering how their gun scopes were. I assumed they were good. They aren't cheap, and Nikon does make good optics. I had completely forgot about Bushnell. I have nice set of binoculars from them.

    That's also good to know as my next rifle will be a Remington 700 in 7mm.
     
  12. M1Anut

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    I've got a Leupold mark4 m3 3.5x10 on my 700. It's a 1 moa click. Zero at 100, then dial your range. It's calibrated for the 168 gr. match bthp. It's a bit pricey, but an awesome scope.
     
  13. jpattersonnh

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    I truely don't normally do this, but take a look at the Savage 110/111 series. Also the Howa 1500. My Savage is from the Clinton Era, no accutrigger. It carries like a 2x4, but is so accurate. I have not found a bullet load combo it shoots badly. Any 150gr SP from any factory shoots MOA or better at 100 yards. It is the one hunter I have that is going no where, no matter what. Being a Mauser guy, it really takes alot to impress me, but this rifle does.
    As I stated the Howa 1500 is another great alternitive to the 700. I think it is superior, but that is my Humble opinion. The Ruger should be the sh!t as it has a true Mauser action, but they never seem to get all the parts correct to make it the best U.S. made rifle. If you have one that shoots great it is worth more then you can put a tag on. They are either stellar, or need a complete re-barrel. Makes no sense.
     
  14. AsSeenOnTV

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    One thing to consider also is where you will be doing most of your shooting? Mountainous, dense forests, open prairies, etc.
    I come from Idaho, and down there I could get away with a 3x9xwhatever, but up here in Alaska, a 1.5x6 is more appropriate to even focus through the dense brush or trees. A larger scope needs further distance to focus on its closest point and is pretty much useless in the trees.

    And don't settle for cheap rings.
     
  15. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I would say get a Leupold or a Nikon Monarch. 3-9X50 or 3.5-10X50 would be ideal.

    You want a large objective bell to give a 7mm exit pupil up to at least 6 or 7 power.

    If you're into cameras, you're probably familar with exit pupils, and lens quality. There are less expensive scopes to be sure. But from your camera hobby, you probably already know that you get what you pay for, and a "smokin deal" that looks too good to be true usually is.

    good luck!:)
     
  16. Polygon

    Polygon New Member

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    So, here's a couple I'm looking at.

    Nikon ProStaff 4-12 x 40.

    Nikon ProStaff 3-9 x 50.

    I'll have to look into those when I get my next rifle. My dad has loved his 77 and it shoots great. That's why I decided to get one. I guess we'll see how mine is when it shows up. Luckily my uncle is a gunsmith if I need one.

    Being in Utah, I could be in the mountains to open prairies. Now there's something I'm also clueless on, rings. Do you have any suggestions?

    Haha, yeah. That's for sure, you do get what you pay for. I think I'm going to go with a Nikkon scope. It's more in my budget, which I've decided is around the $200.
     
  17. locutus

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  18. Triumphman

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    I got a Weatherby in 243 and have mounted a Weaver Classic V16. Great scope. Using Weaver bases W/Weaver QuadLok rings. Good solid shooting platform, just make sure of "Locktiting" down those base screws.
    Other scopes to look at would be Nikon Buckmaster and Vortex Crossfire or Viper.
    Del
     
  19. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Polygon,

    As has been mentioned Leupold is my first preference but have some Nikons also and they are good scopes. Both have good glass and are very clear! Taking into consideration your rifle I would recommend getting your scope ring bases and Medium Height Rings. That will let you put about any scope on it you choose. The 3X9, 3.5X10 or 4X12 Power Scopes would be a good choice since the lower power would also be good for closer shots on game or in dim light. But you would have enough power to see things well at a distance on the top end. I would recommend a Scope which has the positive Click Adjustments on it for your first scope rather than the Friction movement turrets adjustments. Easier to keep track of when adjusting and less frustrating for most people. You can feel and hear the clicks on the one I am speaking of. Then there is 1 inch Tube Scopes which most are. I prefer the 30MM Tube Scope myself since it lets a lot more light in. For Example the Leupold VXIII 3.5X10 Model#54912 for example. But a good inch tube scope will do you just fine. Also the 243 is a great little caliber rifle. Flat shooting and accurate.
    Good Luck with your choice! :)
     
  20. Polygon

    Polygon New Member

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    Yeah, I'm aware. I was thinking of maybe going the budget route. They seems to be great value for the money. However, I'm not opposed to spending more for the Monarch. What do you think of these two?

    Nikon Monarch 4-16x42SF

    Nikon Monarch 3-12x42SF

    I'll take a look at those.

    Thanks. Perhaps you can help me find some scope rings? I've been trying to find some and I don't know what would be good ones to get. It seems my gun has integrated mounts, but I don't know what for. Probably weaver, but Ruger's site doesn't say. It does some with a pair of rings, but I'm assuming they're not very good.