Compensators? Mags?

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by sickcobra08, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. sickcobra08

    sickcobra08 New Member

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    I recently bought a desert eagle 1911c I was wanting to buy a good compensator and mags at a decent price. Does anyone know where I can buy one?
     
  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    mags, plenty of good ones available. i personally like the Wilson Combat and the Chip McCormack mags. Canebrake our resident 1911 guru swears by and recommends the Tripp Research mags and many who use them say they are one of the best there is.

    the compensator. why do you feel the need for a compensator on a 1911? many of us feel they are useless acessory for most purposes on a 1911.
     

  3. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I hate to give "It Depends" answers.

    Axxe is correct about comps on some 1911's. The .45 ACP does not generate enough to make a comp effective. The .38 Super, the 9mm, the 10mm and .40S&W calibers may.

    I shoot the .38 Super and the 10mm (without comp) and have no problems with the recoil and getting back on target. The .45ACPs I've shot with comps still had a comparable recoil to the uncomp-ed.

    In a defensive mode, the comp shoots flames up into the sight radius more than uncomp-ed.

    Finding good carry holster for a comp-ed full size 1911 is not one of those WallyWorld, stroll down the aisle things. Most holsters for a comp-ed 1911 are designed for competition and are not practical in the everyday carry.

    This is my opinion, and I do have a few years in the competition circles.
     
  4. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    Once again I agree with my friend :)
    I tryed one because i simply wanted to see if it held any benifits at all- USELESS
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  5. bartwatkins

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    Wow...
    Nice looking piece Hoss!!!!!
    I also had one in the early days of owning my Springer. I did nothing as far as I could tell. Eventually gave it away.
     
  6. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    Thanks-
    It looked kinda cool but just added weight & length :(
     
  7. CubDriver451

    CubDriver451 New Member

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    The various advice on mags given by other posters is good stuff, in my experience. The advice and experiences on comps, not quite so much.

    Comps can be quite effective, even on the low pressure .45 ACP. However, a well designed comp is required. This means, forget about the bushing comps. They are indeed useless, regardless of caliber. All they do is put a bit more weight out front.

    In contrast, a well designed thread on compensator works quite well. This is because of the difference in mechanical design. The very nature of a bushing comp is what kills the effectiveness of it. Because the barrel must be able to pass through the bushing comp, there is no effective baffling to strip away and redirect the gasses created by the powder charge. There is simply too much clearance between the bullet and the baffles.

    Compare this to a thread on comp and you will see that the hole through the baffles is only slightly larger than bullet diameter. This is a big factor in making a comp work. Baffle and exhaust port design make all the difference. Another factor that can make the comp work better is the load that you shoot through it. Light weight bullets and high pressures (within safe margins) work best. In a .45, run a 185 grain bullet and drive it hard with the slowest burning powders suitable, and you will see a very noticeable difference.

    Also keep in mind that a comp doesn't reduce actual recoil. It simply redirects it and changes how it is felt. Comps reduce "muzzle flip" more than anything. They cause the gun to recoil more in a straight back motion, rather than a rising arc. Load tuning can adjust the "feel" of the recoil further. As with many other things in life, you get what you pay for. Cheap bushing comps are not near as effective as a well made thread on. Another option is porting such as "Magna-port", or ported barrels such as the Shcuemann Hybrid barrels.

    JW
     
  8. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    You're speaking of a "real" expansion chamber compensator -
    Doubt the OP was but ----------------
     
  9. CubDriver451

    CubDriver451 New Member

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    That was the distinction I was trying to make. Unfortunately, too many shooters do not understand this distinction. They look in the latest Brownell's catelog, see the bushing comps, and don't know any better than to try one. This is a subject that is not well understood by people until they have experienced it, or gotten good advice from a gunsmith with a background in this type of equipment.

    JW
     
  10. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    That we can agree on :)
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    CubDriver, i agree with both your posts on this subject and think you are correct, but, (you knew i had one!), lots of people want to use one because they look cool. so they tend to put one on, simply so the pistol looks, "badazz". for SD or carry pistol, exactly the reason Dan said, they are useless and actually IMO, a liability to the person shooting.

    a truly effective compensator for a 1911, is going to have to be threaded and fitted to the pistol, by a compentent gunsmith. that's not cheap. most shooters are probably not going to notice the difference when shooting factory load ammo, but a competition using the pistol to win a match will. building a competition 1911 pistol would be one of the few times i would see a practical need for a 1911 pistol.
     
  12. CubDriver451

    CubDriver451 New Member

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    I completely aggree, Axxe

    I think many people care more about the look of their firearms ad-ons than the do about the function of them. Maybe I'm just old fashioned (or maybe just old), but I am a firm believer that form follows function. In other words, if it works well, and is done in the simplest means available, it usually looks pretty damned good.

    As a part of this theory, I also think the bushing comps tend to look horrible. I think that a knowledge of what they do and don't do has an effect on how I perceive the looks of them. Consider that I own and have built numerous custom 1911s, both for myself and others, and that I am a machinist by trade and very picky about fit and finish as a result of this. A well fit compensator is a work of art. A poorly fit bushing comp, in my opinion, looks cheap and like it was added as an afterthought.

    I would also be willing to bet that many of the people considering this type of addition have probably never held or closely examined a truly well hand fit and finished custom gun. This certainly has an effect on how a person views what looks good or not. I have often heard people question the reason for spending multiple thousands on custom built guns vs. simply buying a well equipped factory gun. The answer is in the detailed hand work and cannot be explained as easily as it can be seen. Even detailed photos commonly fail to show the level of fit and finish that many custom guns display.

    JW
     
  13. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    CubDriver, i am in complete agreement with you on this! i too am getting older, and hopefully wiser, and have in the past resorted to tacky add-ons in the quest to have my guns look cool. well time has taught me that i was wrong.

    compensator perform a useful function when done correctly using the correct parts. if i was shooting hot ammo in a competition pistol or shooting a lager bore 1911 with hot ammo, i might see the need for a compensator on my pistols. but for my use and needs, and those of most people who own and shoot 1911's, they just are not needed in a practical sense.

    i agree, that when a compensator is thought of when building the 1911 and not an afterthought, and made to match the lines of the pistol, they are truly nice looking. but that level of work isn't cheap. most of the bushing comps can be bought for less than $80.
     
  14. sickcobra08

    sickcobra08 New Member

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    Now that I have read all of this I still don't have a good answer. To which everyone makes and assumption as to what I was looking for.
     
  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    well over past couple of years, would you like to guess how many times on 1911 forum here we have seen that same question about compensators? quite a few times to say the least!

    a little background and details go a long ways here.
     
  16. CubDriver451

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    Simple answers;

    Mags- Wildon Combat, McCormick and Tripp. Get any of them from Brownell's.

    Compensator- Same source, but it is not going to be a do it yourself project if you want a "good" one. It will require a threaded barrel and the attention of a gunsmith that knows how to fit the barrel and comp. Depending on whether the comp is a cone type or one intended for use with a barrel bushing, you may have to get a longer barrel and have it fitted to the gun as well.

    If you just want a comp for the "cool factor" appearance, I would still recommend a threaded on comp, professionally fit.

    JW
     
  17. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Are you going to use it in competition? Then consider a good one.
    Are you installing for looks? Don't waste your money.

    Are you installing for the BADAZZ aura. Mall ninja.
     
  18. sickcobra08

    sickcobra08 New Member

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    Most forums I am on ask me questions when they are not sure if my questions. Instead of making assumptions. I under stand I assumed that I was not clear enough but I figured I was talk to gun enthusiast would understand my questions
     
  19. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    So how about telling us what you want the comp to do instead of acting like a pouty kid because we could not read your mind..
     
  20. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    well your questions were pretty vague. an nor did any of us make any assumptions, we merely stated our opinions on what we think about compensators. those are not assumptions, just opinions and thought we have. like i said, would you like to guess how many times we have seen that question asked here on the forum?

    many of us have BTDT with fireams and have learned about being practical. if it serves no purpose or doesn't have a clear advantage to it's intended use,then why put it on a pistol?