Discussion in 'Firearm Accessories & Gear' started by black bear 84, Sep 3, 2007.

  1. black bear 84

    black bear 84 New Member

    Hi guys,
    What this thread about compasses is doing in a gun forum?
    I don't know, I thought it could be of interest since it had a great response in other forums in which I posted it.

    If not, please ignore it


    Hi guys,
    The impulse to write this post came with the recent discovery that we live in the midst of a generation so dependent on gadgets (and adept at using them) that they lose, or never discover, the simpler way of doing things.

    I conducted an “antler hunt” in the April spring woods with a group of Boy Scouts of my son’s troop. The plan was to scout the woods during the day and using flashlights at night, employing compasses to coordinate the excursion.
    The group consisted of several boys aged 13 to 16 years, bringing with them a large assortment of electronic equipment. I have to say that they were very excellent at using them, especially the iPods, cell phones, two-way radios, and GPS’s, but they failed miserably in their understanding of the low -tech compass.



    I have nothing against GPS’s; as a matter of fact, I use them myself and have a couple that I use often to complement the compass I use.
    After all, the GPS can give you your position (and you can plot this in a map) in any weather and even at night, making it easy to walk cross-country in the woods. However, I am not one of those guys glued to the GPS. After I get my position and course to follow, I put the gadget away and use the compass to get the direction for my trek.

    This is going to be sort of a very short (space limitation) refresher course on how to use the basic base plate compass. Of all the types available, I am going to stick to the Silva system for now, as it is the easiest to understand. They come in several flavors; from the inexpensive less- than-$10, to the more elaborate of $50 or so, but they all do the basic job of guiding you well.

    That I stick to the Silva system doesn’t mean that you have to buy a Silva Compass. The market is full of others brands that use the same base plate system such as Brunton, Suunto, Kasper & Ritcher, etc.
    The mechanics of taking bearings and following directions are very easy. I will try to make them short and understandable, as the scope of this article is only to produce the basics, and should not be considered a treatise in navigation.

    The compass’ needle points to the Magnetic North, not the geographic North, but we only have to compensate for it when we use the compass together with a map.
    For navigation in the woods without a map, this is what you have to do. With the compass in front of you, point the direction-of-travel arrow in the direction you want to go, then rotate the capsule until the magnetic arrow North part (usually red) lies pointing to the letter N (for North) in the capsule. Read the bearing (in degrees) at the junction of the line-of-travel arrow and the capsule. In this case, it is showing 270 degrees, which means that the direction you want to travel in is 270 degrees, or exactly West.

    Now, move your feet and rotate your body (not the compass) until the magnetic needle points to the N. Pick a landmark lying in your direction (West) and walk to it without looking at the compass. When you reach that landmark, reorient your body again, pick another landmark (a tall tree?) and keep walking until you get to your destination.

    When you want to return, don’t change anything on the compass! Move your body, putting the South part of the needle over the “N,” or alternatively, just invert the base plate with the direction-of-travel arrow pointing towards you. Or, if you want to change the setting, just put East as your returning direction in the line-of-travel; that will be 90 degrees in your numbered capsule.

    And to make this explanation as simple as possible, I will explain compass and map together in the next posting.

    All the best
    Black Bear
  2. black bear 84

    black bear 84 New Member


    The compass needle points to geographic North only at the agonic line (line of no declination because it is the same as the geographical North line). This line passes now through the west part of Florida and the Great Lakes. My friends in Wisconsin never have to adjust for magnetic declination. I hike and hunt in New York, where I have to adjust for 17 degrees West, and in Maine as much as 22 degrees West. The people on the West coast have to adjust for declination East.
    If you are located over that line, the needle will point geographic North. All other times the magnetic needle points to the magnetic North that is located some 1300 miles from the geographic North.
    Your topographic map will tell you in a diagram found in the left corner how much is the declination in your area. If the map is old, you may have to find the present declination to be more accurate in your traveling if it involves a long trek, where one degree could make a difference.

    Once you found how many degrees of declination you have to adjust for, you can do it on the compass or on the map.





    To make the map speak compass language (magnetic North), extend the line of declination all across the map from the little diagram in the corner, using a long ruler and spacing the lines about two inches. Or use your compass as a protractor (measuring angles) to trace the start of the line from anywhere on the map.
    After doing this, both the compass and the map will “speak” magnetic readings and you will not have to adjust the compass for magnetic declination.

    If you would rather adjust for declination on the compass (and save yourself from tracing lines on the map), every time you are going to follow a bearing in the field, you have to move the needle to the proper declination. So instead of pointing to North, it will point 22 degrees West of North (in the case of Maine), or 338 degrees.
    Or, if you are West of the agonic line, then your declination will be East and you will have to move the needle East of the North marking on the compass.
    Some compasses have a scale printed in the capsule, and some of them adjust by means of a internal rotating bezel that adjusts with a screwdriver stored in the lanyard. I like the latter type because there is nothing to do after you set it; you just place the needle in the “gate” that is already adjusted to the proper declination after you do it the first time.

    To use the compass and map together, find where you are in the map and where you want to go, connect the two places with a line that extends from the side of your compass, and without moving it, rotate the “capsule” of the compass so that the lines inscribed on the bottom of the capsule combine with your drawn magnetic lines on the map OR the North line(s) or margin on the map if you are adjusting for declination on the compass.

    Just follow the bearing that you have just set at the back end of the “line of travel arrow” and you will arrive at your destination.



    All this is very basic, but it will take you to the proper destination. If you would like to study map and compass a little more and learn how to navigate using more elaborate techniques, such as using handles, taking triangulation, or navigating in open terrain without the use of landmarks, I recommend you buy one of the books that are available on the subject.

    I started many years ago with the classic “Be Expert with Map & Compass” by Bjorn Kjellstrom, which I recommend, but there are many other books that you can get from places like REI.
    Using Map and Compass by Don Geary
    The Outward Bound Map and Compass handbook by Glenn Randall
    Wilderness Navigation by Bob and Mike Burns

    I hope this little post can help someone interested in navigating the woods by map and compass. I feel that is a great need to go back to the basics to supplement and complement navigation with GPS, that after all, being electronic and depending on batteries can fail us when most needed.

    Best wishes
    Black Bear

  3. 1984cj

    1984cj New Member

    Thanks for the refresher! A compass is one of those things that I always have with me in the field. I usally carry a quadrangle with me in unfamiliar areas.
    I like the GPSR but it isn't as accurate as a compass can be.
    Batteries die and electronics break. It is good to know how to do things the old ways.
  4. black bear 84

    black bear 84 New Member


    A GPS is a great navigation tool. Among others things it can tell where you are on hearth which was the main concern for earlier navigators of the Spanish and Portuguese navies, until reliable navigation tools such as the sextant were invented.

    Land navigation and exploration was also the province of the sextant; it was used in the jungles with an artificial horizon (a separate glass case containing mercury), and the star to drop down was the sun, as the readings were taken during the day as tree canopy made night reading almost impossible.
    Today a small gadget called GPS can do the same for us in only a few minutes. The tool can give us our position on a map using Latitude and Longitude, UTM, military grid, or user grid.

    It can do this during the day or night, with clouds or storm, best of all the GPS can fit even in a small pocket, the new units are more accurate than ever and can pin point your position with an accuracy of a few feet.
    This position can be plot in a topographic map if you have a latitude/longitude ruler or even eyeballed, if the map is provided with a UTM grid or military grid.

    Most new topographic maps now are provided with an UTM grid (Universal transverse Mercator) which is based on the metric system. In this system the latitude is measured in meters north or south of the Equator, and the longitude from meters from the center of a zone, of course the names change and the longitude is called Eastings and the latitude Northings.


    In our map you can see an X named start and another X named finish. The place marked finish is where we left the quads on the side of the trail to climb up to Blenheim Hill early that morning. The purpose was to check the creek for trout and scout the area adjacent to the top of the hill.
    The reading on the GPS for the place where we left the quads, was 4.700.200 meters North (you use the margin of the map scale) and 541,100 meters East from zone 18 (you use the scale in the top of the map). The first two numbers are the Zone and do not count as meters.

    As we had spent two days using the GPS on others locations the gadget was getting very low on battery juice, so we decided to navigate by compass and save the batteries to take readings of the position of interesting places only.
    By the end of the day and very tired we found ourselves near the unimproved road that lead to the road next to the cemetery. A reading of our position with the GPS using the UTM system indicated that we were 4,700.000 meters north of the Equator and 539,400 meters east of the zone 18, (see how easy is to count meters in the 1,000 squares with the tick’s marks in the margin of the map counting for 100 meters each).

    Tracing a line from start to finish and measuring the degrees with the compass (used as a protractor and disregarding the magnetic needle) gave us a direction to go 80 degrees and 1700 meters for distance, (but the GPS already told us that).

    The trek was on okay -terrain slopping downhill and we had to be careful with our footing only in the last 350 meters downhill to the quads.
    The other option was to take the road going to the one near the cemetery (1300 meters) walk on that road passing by the ruins of the School until the next trail left (1900 meters) and walk uphill about 1,000 meter to the quads, a total of 4,200 meters.

    In a heavy forest with no landmarks and not elevation to take triangulations readings with a compass, it is impossible to know where you are, the GPS can give you your exact position day or night and you can plot that position in the map using the Universal Transverse Mercator grid.

    You can do that also with the Longitude and Latitude, but you have to prepare your map (with a different grid) and have a latitude and longitude ruler to measure your position. As GPS’s are easily adjusted for the UTM grid, it is the most convenient and easiest to use of all the grids.

    In this explanation we have used the three tools to complement each other, the map, GPS and compass, and demonstrated that finding a road at the end of the day, it is not the shortest route for traveling to your destination; it also demonstrated that you don’t have to be glued to your GPS (as I see many people in the woods doing) to get your money worth out of the gadget.
    Best wishes

    Black Bear
  5. black bear 84

    black bear 84 New Member


    In my previous post I marked my point position and the point position of the quads on the map with the help of the GPS and the UTM grid on the map.
    That pin point of location is called point position, and should be the goal of every traveler in the wilderness to know about his point position; after all you could be lying down with a broken leg unable to move and in need of rescue.
    Line position is when you know that you are on a feature on the map but cannot pin point your exact location, let’s say you know you are somewhere along the river, road, ridge, trail or compass bearing, but you don’t know exactly where.

    Area position is when you know you are in a general area on the map; your goal should be to know at all times where you are on the map, and if you can tell your point position the better, you never know when you may need to summons help (over your cell phone or radio) and need to tell them exactly where you are.

    Now we are going to try to mark our point position with the help of our compass and map alone, no GPS this time to help us out.
    To accomplish this you need a map with an UTM grid. Since 1989 all new maps are printed with the UTM grid. If your map doesn’t have it you can trace it by the ticks’ marks on the edges of map using a yard stick and a pencil.
    For compass and map work I recommend you spend a few dollars more and buy one with the adjustable declination scale, I use the Suunto M-5SK (smoke killer) but there are others in the market that have this convenient feature.
    That way, when you are taking or plotting readings from the compass the values will be in geographic North and you will not have to be doing mathematics factoring the declination on your calculations.

    Also forget about using lensatic or prismatic compasses, its readings are in magnetic and don’t have a base plate that can be used as a protractor like in the Silva system. To use lensatic and prismatic compasses with maps you will also need to carry a protractor to measure the angles and convert the magnetic readings to true North by adding or subtracting the declination, something that you don’t want to do when you are under pressure or confused by cold or stress.

    The Silva system is a compass, protractor, measuring device, ruler, straight- edge and even (as in the case of the M-5SK and others) a magnifying glass.
    If you rather use the compass that you already have, and it is a base plate compass or one with transparent base, you can mark your declination with a piece of white label like the one in this picture.


    Just remember to place the compass magnetic needle in top of that mark to compensate for the declination.

    It will be good if before entering the woods you can count with a base line; the base line could be the road where you left your car, a river, a power line or any other feature that is marked on the map and goes for a long way, that way you always have the option of trying to reach your base line if you are running out of daylight.


    A handrail is a feature that is marked on the map. A trail, river, or other geographic feature that goes in the direction you want to go. When you are in a handrail, you are in a line of position. If you know you are on the trail or next to the creek, to find your point position you just need another feature that is on the map from where you can take a compass back bearing in the field.
    Let’s say you see a hill in the distance that is also marked on the map. Take a back bearing with your compass to that hill, you know how to do that, you point the compass direction of travel arrow to the hill and rotate the capsule until the SOUTH END of the magnetic needle is “boxed” in the declination arrow.
    Yes, for a back bearing use the SOUTH end of the magnetic needle, not the NORTH end.
    Read the degrees at the junction of the bezel and line of travel arrow, and plot that in your map.


    Let’s say that the back bearing you took to the hill is 80 degrees, don’t move the compass capsule to change that reading, place the long edge of the base plate of the compass on the hill that is on the map, and the direction of travel arrow toward your position (the river in this case), make sure the NORTH on the compass is toward the top of the map and then rotate the entire compass (not the capsule) until the North lines scribed in the base plate are parallel with the NORTH lines on the grid of the map.
    For map work, always disregard the magnetic needle, you are using your compass as a protractor and measuring angles.
    A line traced at the edge of the compass from the hill toward the river, will cross the river at the exact point where you are located, this is your point position. And now you can even read the coordinates of that position from the UTM grid, and tell any rescue party the UTM values of where you are.

    This you will have to do when you know only that you are in a general area of your map, your area position.
    To get your point position you need two features that are shown in the map from where you can take back bearing in the field. Let’s say you are lucky and you see two hills that are also in the map and at more or less right angles. Take a back bearing on one and plot it in the map, now you are in a line of position, you are somewhere along that line. Take a back bearing on the other hill and plot it in the map, where the two lines cross, there is your point position.
    Triangulation works even better when you use three features to take back bearings.


    If you are in a featureless area with no hills, radio towers, power lines or other help for your triangulation, at least you should have been smart enough to look at your map often and noticed the changes in the topography.

    You must know if you passed the hills that are in your map and how long ago, you must know if you are in a flat area and nearing an elevation change in the terrain or if the terrain starts to slope downhill. Based on these clues you will have an idea of what your area position is. With luck the chopper will look for you only in a reduced area of one kilometer based on the coordinates from the UTM grid that you will transmit over the phone or radio.


    Let’s give here one example of point position using a real map, and a figured scenario so you understand how important point position is even if you are not interested in marking your tree stand on the map.

    Let’s say I am exploring the top of B-----g Ridge in the Adirondacks, this is a ridge that encompasses many miles and even knowing I was there, I didn’t know where I was exactly.
    To the West I can see the peak of S--d Pont Mountain, one of the tallest in the area.


    Presently, I spotted in the forest floor something flashing in the sunshine and in picking that up; I held in my hands a pair of prescription eye glasses.
    In further looking around I discovered a human skeleton dressed in the remains of orange hunting clothes. A rusty rifle near by confirmed my assessment that the unfortunate bones belonged to a hunter.

    Looking at the back of his jacket remains I found a license tag protected by a transparent license holder, as the tags are made of weather and tear resistant material they have survived quite well the estimate three or four years of exposure to the elements.


    In my pack I had some orange surveyor tape and I marked the area with it, then I took out my compass and took a back bearing to the top of S--d Pond Mountain, the back bearing is taken with the SOUTH part of the needle because you want the bearing FROM the mountain to your position. You can also take a direct bearing but then when plotting it in the map the direction of travel arrow should be pointing to the MOUNTAIN instead of from the Mountain to your position.

    I like to do the back bearing, because if I were using a regular protractor the numbers to my position will be the back bearing numbers.

    The back bearing indicates a 95 degrees direction from the top of the mountain, so I placed the compass with one long edge on the peak of the Mountain, and the direction of travel arrow toward the B----g Ridge, making sure that the NORTH part of the compass points toward the NORTH part of the map.

    I rotated the whole compass by the base plate (I don’t touch the capsule or change the setting in the bezel) until the lines inscribed in the base of the capsule are parallel to the North lines on the map.
    Now the edge of the base-plate is passing over my exact position on the Ridge. I traced a pen line to connect the two points, and placed an X in the map to mark my discovery.

    As I had to be back in New York City next morning for a court hearing, it is no way I was going to be bringing a party here to the top of the ridge, or getting further involved in this matter, so late that afternoon on my way back to New York I dropped an envelope in the police headquarters with a note of explanation, the marked map and the hunting tags of the corpse.

    By the UTM grid they can get the exact location in Easterns and Northings and transfer that to a GPS equipped chopper and effectuate the recovery as well, or better, that if I were there to direct them.

    Black Bear
  6. black bear 84

    black bear 84 New Member


    This will be of interest only to the people that travel to locations around the world, and are in need of using a compass to get their bearings.
    I first encountered compass dip, many years ago, in a trip to Bariloche, Argentina. I was there to fly-fish for trout in the Nahuel Huapi Lake and climb the Cerros Tronador, Catedral and Lopez.

    I took my regular base plate compass, which I had used extensively in North America, and I found there that the needle was sticking to the card providing false readings.

    I was baffled until my guide explained that most climbers from the states had compasses that stick and that I needed a compass with the needle balanced for the area. In my compass, the pull from the forces of the magnetic north made the south end of the needle dip and stick to the card.

    I found later that when compasses are made, they are balanced for the zone that they are going to be sold, and that the manufacturers have indentified 5 zones of dip.



    Compasses sold in North America are adjusted for the zone one, and where I was in Argentina was considered zone four. Compasses sold over there by the sporting good stores where adjusted for that zone.
    If you have opportunity to travel to Australia, you will be in zone five and the dip of the needle will be even more pronounced.


    Suunto has come out with a couple of traveler’s compasses with a global needle. Brunton has at least one in their line and maybe other manufacturers are doing the same.

    This is a needle that is optimized to be use in all places (that is why they are called Global compasses). Brunton is making the 8096 AR (a racing compass) with the global needle, and it makes sense as the runners don’t have to stop and level the compass perfectly to take readings as the global needle can work with even a 20 degree tilt.

    Climbers can benefit from a global needle as they have more latitude to take a reading from a peak that is too close, as sometimes bearings have to be taken using the imaginary center line of a mountain instead of a peak when using the regular compasses, as the tilt upward will ground the regular needle. With the global needle the chances that you can still use the peak for your target are increased if the angle is less than 20 degrees.

    So we should welcome the development of the Global needle and hope that more choices will be made available in the different models of compasses.
    All the best
    Black Bear
  7. doctherock

    doctherock New Member

    this is good info to know, if the poo ever hits the fan GPS satellites will start falling out of the sky and compass is the ticket to survival.
  8. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

    Hey doc!! You're north of me.....right?

    No Compass!
  9. doctherock

    doctherock New Member

    Holy crap thats good!!!! You must have training....harty har har
  10. Franchise

    Franchise New Member

    This is really interesting and helpful. I'm embarrassed to admit it but I know nothing of using a compass. I grew up hunting in Arkansas and always have used dead reconing. Knowing by the sun and streams the general directions. Also, Its hard to get lost, lost when you hunt on the west side of a mountain. I say that but it happens all the time. I'm terrible with directions but I've never really gotten lost. "Turned around" maybe. But, as I said, the places I've tooled around in aren't really wilderness. I will definately study this info and maybe be able to use my compass correctly rather than just confirming north is north. Thanks for all the info guys!!
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2010
  11. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

    If the ocean ever changes position or the rotation of the earth changes I'm sunk. But wait...if the magnetic core shifts we'll have to float Al Gore in a pond to find magnetic north. :D
  12. Jeehs

    Jeehs New Member

    Thanks for the Info, I planned to learn how to use a compass but have never really knew where to start. Hunting here in Rural Tennessee where the Major landmark is HWY 64, It helps too know how to use a compass.
    Like I said before, Thank you very much for the Information, It will be used well.
  13. mrm14

    mrm14 Well-Known Member

    I'm fair to middelin when it comes to compasses, enough to get me close to where I want to go. This thread, however, is very good info. I can see it helping me alot becoming more proficient at using one. Am looking at some of the books you suggested as well.
  14. collegekid20

    collegekid20 New Member

    This is a great post, I have always wanted to now how to use a compass, but never had a clue where to start other than google. Thx for the info, I think I'll try that book.
  15. superc

    superc Active Member

    I 'hate' UTM because many GPSs aren't pre configured by their owners for it. Likewise in the US civilian maps use one type of UTM coordinate, while the military maps use a different one. Much easier to say go to NAD 78,000 43.000 and their GPS will make the meet happen. Good post though.

    Everyone should know this stuff. Even though I haven't used them since the coming of the Magellan 315, I still have several different compass types laying around. Truth be told, not much less than the sudden loss of the ionosphere (other than the simultaneous detonation of 20 - 30 equidistant placed 40 meg hydrogen warheads just below the the ionosphere to force an expansion of the ionosphere is likely to make the GPS satellites fail. Of course if the Ionosphere goes, so too does most life, so worry about the GPS will be way down on the priority list. I much prefer it when my topo maps have NAD latitude and longitude grid lines rather than UTM. I had several maps of places I go customized to show the lat and long rather than the stock UTM. Several of today's hand held GPS units do allow one to take a bearing. You may have to take one or three steps in the direction to get your reading, but the system is accurate. There is a game called geocaching in which someone hides something small (like a dog tag in the woods) somewhere, then lets others know the coordinates where the item is. There are websites devoted to the game. Many GPS units will bring you to within 30 feet of the place. Some even closer. Finding cached items from a starting point several miles away that way can be fun.
  16. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

    This is a very excellent thread that I missed. This thread is now stuck for everyone to be able to find quickly and learn from the master.

    Very well done sir!

  17. langenc

    langenc New Member

    I have a nice old Leupold and Stevens compass that needs some adjusting. The needle dont swing freely. Know of anyone that can do a repair without breaking the bank??

    Leupold & Stevens is now Leupold scopes. They dont do compass repair.

    Around here iot is quite flat. When hunting in strange areas just remember that you are eithr N or S of the(a) road,. Go in to the N,, come out to the S esp when dark the compass helps.

    I also took some Boy Scouits on a compass course. A couple got twisted around and ended way off coures at a location that had a phone. The kids knew where they were so no big deal. Only problem was they called the one boys Mom. She picked em up and went HOME.. Yuk. No scout leader wants to leave a kid in the woods.

    I dont recall how we found out they were at home. He heard about it later. I suggested talking w/ the Mom. I dont know if she ever got it.
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2013
  18. bigjim

    bigjim New Member

    Not true, compass are less accurate than a GPS system. As the earth goes around the sun the magnetic field around the world keeps changing, not by a lot but enough, If Columbus used the same heading he did in 1492 today, he would completely miss north america on his trip. Whereas GPS are accurate with in feet, the north pole keeps shifting each year and north becomes south about every 25,000 years. You should be OK to use you compass for the next week or two, but me I will use my GPS unless sun spots knock out the satilites.


    Here is a novel idea you should have learned in boy scouts. Make yourself a sun dial compas, take a stick about 10 inches tall and stick it in the ground. Mark where the shadow of the stick meets the ground, wait an hour or so and then mark where the shadow now meets the ground. If you draw a line between the marks, that will be east and west, now you all know where north is from there right? Or just check the trees to see which side the moss is on (that will north). If you need a compas you are already in trouble and may become part of the landscape (ashes to ashes, dust to dust)
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2013
  19. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member Admin Moderator Lifetime Supporter

    To the Original Poster from years ago- Thank you- yours remains a most excellent post.

    To all: Yes, I use GPS. Sometimes I am in a location that cannot receive an adequate signal- and if I ever bash it on a rock, or run out of battery, I have a military compass- or at least a decent Silva as a backup.

    Find yourself with no compass? In dire straits, if you have a watch with hands and a dial....
  20. hardluk1

    hardluk1 Active Member

    I still have 2 old WWII engineers compass's I bought in 1971?? When ever when I am in the woods I have both, one on me one in my pack. I have had a few times when the night sky was heavily over cast and low and you could not tell direction at all or in some swaps like the fakahatchee strand that you could not see the sky on a good day . You needed a compass. I also have limited use for a gps BUT do have a old garmin V for locating fishing wrecks and general location from days back in south Florida's ten thousand islands and to get back to camp when hunting. But my trusty old compass is always near. Wife bought a first year tom tom that still works . My girls have updated it a couple times .

    I still like a good map like the altas /maps from delorme and love topo's for hunting . Easier to plan the trip I want , not what the darn gps wants . Agps will still get you all screwed up. Now that I live in NC mountains the garmen has been unused for some years by me and the tom tom is used by the kids mostly. My old compass's are still used and always near by. Our year old accord ex-l v-6 was bought with out gps. Had to look to find that one.