I was originally looking for 500 wtih just the pistol grip but now kind of wondering if the pistol grip with extension butt stock might be pretty useful. I have not really looked at the swing away butt stock but also looking for cheap and I think those can get pricey. Basically asking how controllable and practical is a pistol gripped 12ga? Is the butt stock the better way to go? This is mostly for HD but I might just get another barrel and take it hunting too. In that case, the butt would be needed. Otherwise it would be kept in short and ready mode. Looking for 18.5" barrel, high cap tube, heat shield, etc.