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Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Stuie, Jan 21, 2009.
Came upon this article this morning and thought I would share.
Eh. Half truth, half "I don't know what I am talking about, but I want to sound like I do because it's easier to tear down another's work than research the stuff myself".
He has some points, and also has a basic understanding of the modern firearm, but he is FAR from being 100% accurate.
And because someone is going to come along and say "What are you talking about JD - What was he wrong about?"
Let's see what the forum thinks and I will extrabolate later on in the thread where he is inaccurate....
There were suppressed revolvers but the most successful one was the nagant sense its cylinder seals to the barrel before firing.
Not all automatics have a slide lock which engages when the mag. is empty and even some times a 1911 has been known to not lock back but most times they do.
Even a cheep scope can be accurate as long as it’s sighted in at least up to normal hunting range
Silenced revolver. Hah, that one always makes me chuckle unless it is a nagant revolver.
Empty automatic. What if the magazine and or slide stop are defective? Slides will close on empty chambers occasionally
Scope. If the shooter knows the range and dials in the appropriate dope, the crosshairs will be on the point of impact.
Cordite. 99% of shooters have never smelled cordite. Common misnomer even with "educated" gunners.
Ker-chak. They were just being safe and not wanting to have an AD while holding the BG at bay.
Shooting sideways. We encourage gang bangers to shoot sideways. Fewer people get shot that way.
Starsky and Hutch wall slide. 20 years ago this was a common practice. Some people still hug the walls thinking it gives them some degree of safety.
9 or 38. Or .380 or .38 super or .256 TSW or .38 TJ or .38 super comp etc. Anyone who jumps to such conclusions is not a very good Homicide Detective.
OK--I'll start. Windage and elevation knobs. They exist for a purpose.
LOL - I love you guys. Three posts in ten minutes and we already refuted half the list.
This is the best source of firearm's knowledge going today!
+1 all around...
SHOOTING SIDEWAYS Your gangstas just have to be different. So they aim their handguns sideways and hunch over and kind of glare along their arm in lieu of actually aiming. In fact, when they do this their eyes aren't even looking at the site but at their victim. Intimidating your intended victims is all well and good. But it comes to naught if, when you finally start busting caps, you miss the other guy by six city blocks. There's a reason we hold guns vertically. It's a more natural pose considering that the barrel of a gun is going to leap up and back when each round goes off. It's a lot easier to lower that site back to it's original position than it is to go searching for them over a 180 degree radius. Ever see Davey Crockett hold his flintlock sideways? This way is just plain dumb.
as a retort to the empty automatic section of your topic... how about the movie issue with automatics that never seem to actually GET EMPTY?
-it isnt as common of a problem as it used to be, but i can remember a few films from the big action days of the 80's and 90's and some maybe earlier than that that were terrible about this (coughcough lastmanstanding cough). i mean come on! two colts with 7+1 each that fire through rooms full of badguys for 25 shots straight?! they weren't even trying...
-my personal favorite gun blooper in movies is when you can tell they are using some kind of airsoft or airgun replica and the character is firing firing firing and the slide will lock back but the gun sound effects magically keep on happening. what kind of gun is this? where might i procure one of these enchanted, genie enhanced weapons that fire bullets with no bullets actually in them? i must know, hollywood!!!
How about the old cowboys six shooters that never ran out of ammo
EXACTLY! i wasnt aware of any companies during the frontier days that produced a 358 rnd 6 shooter...
Gone In 60 Seconds. The end "shootout", the bad guy shoots 20 or so rounds through a Walther PPKS. Since he grabbed it out of his desk drawer and got to shooting, we can only assume he had no extra mags in his pocket (who carries mags with no gun) and there was no scene of him reloading.
I couldn't even count how many mistakes there was in the movie Shoot Em Up.
My favorite movie gun oops. Is when a guy is using a snub nosed revlover and gets better range that the guy with a long gun.
i remember watching shoot 'em up and in a scene, clive owen is shooting an HK USP with its slide stop pin like halfway out... that movie was pretty full of holes, fun but tons of "oh COME ON!" moments...
-and yes... the old snubbie revolver slow aim with one eye open and shoots the guy with the lever action off his horse trick...
click, click, click, click, click...
There's something wrong with the gun if it continues to drop the hammer on an empty chamber and cocks itself.
Well, I'll jump in also: Cordite was used during WW I by the British in small arms ammunition, and sometime into the 'Twenties. Also used in artillery ammunition.
The Old Hickory Powder Plant near Nashville, Tennessee, operated by DuPont, produced Cordite for the British.
My uncle made a very risque object, for the time, of a womans leg, thigh to foot, with a dainty high heeled shoe, formed from the soft Cordite. Originally about six inches in length, the last time I saw it, maybe eight years ago, it was about three inches in length, still perfectly proportioned. This item, incidentally, is about the color and texture of cow horn or buffalo horn, ranges from black to caramel in color.
Okay, you guys for them all and this has turned into Rag on Hollywood, which is pretty easy. Let's turn this on it's side - YOU write a scene where the movie could progress and the gun scene would be accurate in YOUR eyes.
I have always thought that the best hitman/sniper scene for a movie where the "target" HAD to live, and it had to take place in the City, would go something like this....
Bad Guy is sequestered INSIDE a building with a store front, or inside an apartment on a low level floor to eliminate down angle. ( Snipers don't shoot from rooftops unless they are cops with a barricade situation or they don't intend on being snipers for long. No Silhouetting, no open rooftop of vast expanse space that anyone could walk up onto at any moment. )
The Bad Guy sniper is set in place and knows that his intended target will be at an outdoor cafe', meeting, say an informant or other person.
Previously we have seen the B/G actually sitting in the same outdoor cafe the same day as the hit is to take place and he subtly places some sort of indicated, like a chewing gum wrapper that is not wadded up but open, under the table or on the ledge of the cafe' fascia.
So, target and informant sit down at the cafe' and order, coffee, what else? Nobody ever eats in the movies anymore.
Hitman is snugged in his hide and we see him open the mail flap on the door, or he cracks the sliding window about 1 inch and digs in behind the rifle.
We see him re-range the target with a laser range finder and compare it to his notes right on the left side of the rifle.
Target and informer have coffee delivered in these huge open top mugs and you can see the steam coming off the top, with just a slight breeze blowing. Small talk ensues as the waitress sets down both cups of coffee, takes their order for whatever small salad they are going to pretend to eat, because actors don't actually eat anything good on screen.
Hitman is seen scoping back and forth across the Cafe' and we see him stop on his gum wrapper, which has moved slightly Left to Right just before some bus boy with a goody-goody complex picks it up and puts it in his little bus boy tub. Bastard!
Blah, Blah, Blah talk about whatever is the information the audience needs to be filled in on.
The Hitman is now scanning over the table and sees the steam coming off the coffee with the same Left to Right movement that the gum wrapper moved, so he pauses and makes a one click adjustment to his windage on the scope, to compensate.
As he's adjusting the waitress returns with the salads, places them on the table and offers fresh cracked pepper across the top. The target declines as he is allergic, but the informant says they will take a little.
We zoom in on the grinder as the cracked pepper is being dropped on the salad and we see some fluttering across to the targets face.
Cut scene to a close up on the trigger finger as Hitman takes up slack with his crosshairs firmly planted behind the ear on the target.
Dude sneezes as the round is fired, causing his head to move with an involuntary reaction and the round whizzes past only to smash the front window of the Cafe' - which alerts the target and the resulting "RUN!"
And, the most common mistakes are guns of the wrong period. Colt SAA .45s and Winchesters being used in Civil War era movies.
In one TV movie recently, during the Spanish American War era, Army troops are shown firing a Colt Browning M1895 "Potato Digger" machine gun. The Navy only used this gun, the Army keeping its Gatlings into the Twentieth Century.
-this one is pretty tough to beat... i used to write little short stories like this back in the day... they were like assassin post-action reports. lemme see if i can find any of them...
who knew posting an online article would turn out this interesting...
Jim looked at his watch as he walked toward the office building, right on time I just hope my target is also. As he approached the door out came the package, Jim held on to his .38 snubby, pulling it just 3 feet from the target and bringing it chest high fired 3 rounds in to the mans mid chest. The crowd was in a state of confusion as Jim comely walked on past making a right turn into the ally dropping the hand gun, shucking the gray overcoat and hat as he went, there were screams now from the street. A few feet more and he dropped the ugly plastic framed fake glasses he wore.
Taking a right at the end of the ally Jim walked up to the car that was waiting him getting in and shutting the door the driver made for the street. Taking a right turn and waiting at the light, hearing the sirens were getting louder as they approached the area. His long time friend did not even have to ask Jim if it was done or not. Because he knew if Jim made it to the car it was done. Another liberal social-ist that had trashed his country was kissing the devils ass in hell.