Colt .vs. Kimber .vs. Sig?

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by krazykawika, May 14, 2012.

  1. krazykawika

    krazykawika New Member

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    Hey everyone, just came across this forum and thought I'd sign up to get your input. I'm on the market for a new 1911. I have a Colt lightweight officer and have had Sigs in the past. I have been very happy with both brands. I have also had friends that swear by Kimber's though.
    My question is, of all the models of those brands what do you think is the best as far as accuracy and reliability goes? I understand it is going to be completely opinionated, but I welcome anyone's thought.
     
  2. GunSavvyTeen

    GunSavvyTeen New Member

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    ColtColtColtColtColtColt
    I have a 50 year old Colt that never jammed on my dad. And never jammed on me. Quality.
     

  3. Durangokid

    Durangokid New Member

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    The 1911 Colt had fought thru 2 World Wars and hundreds of conflicts before Kimber and Sig learned how to copy them. Get the point.:D
     
  4. MikeJK

    MikeJK New Member

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    I have had 2 Kimbers, a Tac II Pro and a Custom TRl w/ the rail. I don't even remember what the 5" was even called, lol. Anyway I don't own a 1911 anymore. The Custom had feeding issues. Magazine? Maybe, who knows. I didn't want to mess w/ it. Glocks now M&Ps for me.
     
  5. krazykawika

    krazykawika New Member

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    So if we are basing this off "originality" then why wouldn't I just get a Browning seeing how he designed the original 1911 or go with the high power as it being his last? I know Colt's are good and every one likes them because they're an old company that has contributed more than their fare share to the fire arm community.....But, with modern technologies and advancements in fire arms I would like to go off more than the fact it was in two wars.
     
  6. ellwood45c

    ellwood45c New Member

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    I have my grandfathers colt military issue. It shoots better than some of my newer 1911's. I have mot found anything it would not feed, with only a feed ramp polishing. I have seem it function when kimbers, and sig wouldn't with the exact same ammo. Look for canebrake's reply he can help as well as several others just give em a little time.

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  7. rifleshooter474

    rifleshooter474 New Member

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    Traded off all three of my Kimber .45acps for new Colt 5" all blue steel .45acps.
     
  8. luke1999

    luke1999 New Member

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    Get a colt I have a colt combat elite never had it jam and it is very accurate
     
  9. Overkill0084

    Overkill0084 Active Member

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    Colt & Sig- Limited lifetime warranty
    Kimber - One year warranty
    Your choice.
    Of the three you list, I'd go with Colt.
     
  10. MikeJK

    MikeJK New Member

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    Reminded me of this. Not passing judgment wither way. It just reminded me of this.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8jIIPocqUU&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]
     
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  11. homelessguy01

    homelessguy01 New Member

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    Tommy boy has to be one of the funniest movies ever
     
  12. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Not sure I follow the logic of you going with the Browning (sic) [Hi Power?] over the Colt 1911. Two completely different function/pattern pistols.

    Understand that both pistols were a product of the brilliance and vision of John Moses Browning but the design of both were based on the requirements presented by government procurement, 1911 - US Army and the BHP - French military requirement.

    I also do not understand your reference of going with the BHP because it was his last? Are you inferring that work product of an inventor improves with their aggregate? This may be true in spontaneous creation with the addition of experience but not axiomatically in the creation by specification.

    Here's a quote Dillinger (a good friend and fellow JMB disciple) posted two years ago:
    Okay, here are what we like to call "FACTS" about the Hi Power design and how it came to be.

    Browning accepted a contract from the French government to produce a new pistol to their standards. Not the least of which had restrictions on caliber size and efficiency, range, capacity and overall size & weight of the weapon.

    Browning produced two designs, both of which he submitted patents for in 1923.

    Browning died with no pistol patents in place, or production models underway, on this pistol in 1926.

    In 1927 patents were granted and FN gave the designs to a Belgian by the name of Dieudonné Saive.

    Saive made modifications to the initial design, including a staggered box magazine and then waited for the Colt patents to expire in 1928, before finishing "his" version of the hi Power and submitting it for final testing.

    Essentially, JMB did only the very base design on the Hi Power, and he did so with the restrictions of the Colt owned patents were in place.


    The original design released in 1935, hence the P-35, drew heavily from the Colt's Model M1911. In November of 1926, JM Browning passed to final slide stop. In 1928 the Colt patents expired allowing Dieudonné Saive to integrate (copy) many of the Colt's previously patented features into the Grand Rendement design, the Saive-Browning Model of 1928.

    By 1934, the Hi-Power design was complete and ready to be produced. It was first adopted by Belgium for military service in 1935 as the Browning P-35. (Yep, the French ordered it and didn't buy. Stunned? :p)

    External Extractor Debate

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    The original design of the Browning Hi Power had a internal extractor. (Browning/Colt design) It wasn't until the early '60s that the external extractor was incorporated .

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    In 1962, the design was modified to replace the internal extractor with the external extractor.

    And to the red highlighted section above;

    Does Colt's age mean they are still stuck with early 20th century methods and materials? Colt is still alive and well, and in today's business environment you don't stay in business building buggy whips.

    "But, with modern technologies and advancements in fire arms (sic)" Is this another inference that colt is not using the advancements in technologies available in production and materials? Have you looked at a "new" Colt SAA? That's a very old gun design produced to to today's highest standards.

    I find your "old" reference getting old.
     
  13. ellwood45c

    ellwood45c New Member

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    I learn alot from u cane and for that i say
    Thank you

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  14. barneygoogle

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    10 or 20 years from now, the Colt will be worth at least twice the value of any of the others. They are good dependable firearms and the best collector firearm you can own. You can't go wrong with a REAL colt.;)
     
  15. CipsterX

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    I like to compare colts to other 1911's, HK's to sigs, Glocks to Springfield XD's and so on. Dude at the quality you talking about its just personal preference.
     
  16. heavyliftn

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    Im glad I found this cause I have been looking to get a 1911. I have looked at Remington 1911 and others that have copied them. All of my friends either have Colts or Kimbers and I love the way both shoot. I have not be able go shoot others to see how they are so all i have is opinions and with my buddies all they know are the 2 so pf coarse they're little biased. I wld like to have either my thing just like everything now a days is money.
     
  17. kytowboater

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    I get the hold the value thing too, I like kimbers buy I would lean to one with a good warranty. Hope you never need it, have it if you need it.
     
  18. Quentin

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    I say Colt. I've had my Series 70 since 1976 with very few malfunctions over the years. Sure a few things needed fixed but that's just normal maintenance over that much time. Anyway, I trust it to this day. I now carry a Glock 27 or 23 for the light weight, smaller size and extra capacity but I'd still feel comfortable taking the Colt. Over the years I've fired buddies' Kimbers and Sigs and have nothing bad to say other than I was real glad to get my Colt back!
     
  19. Zula415

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    Word. I've never understood why people just don't buy Colts when they're roughly the same price. I bought a Delta Gold Cup 15 years ago for 650.00 at a gun show. How'd that work out for me?
     
  20. Gloves

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    I have a Kimber, shoots like a dream.
    Out of the box you have installed bells and whistles.

    Things to watch out for with a Kimber:
    Paying too much.
    The finish on it is weak, just by holding it some finish has been removed and bare metal exposed.
    The front bushing is probably going to get worn out after thousands of rounds making the barrel loose (just a guess)
    Few Failure to feeds during the break in period (500 rounds).
    Dumb name and worse logo.

    That being said, out of the x# of guns I own/have shot it is my favorite and the one I trust for HD and crazy accurate with all sorts of ammo.

    If I could do it again, I would probably look at Colt for it is a Legend. ;)

    I love the classic look of black with Coco.
    Bought the base model Custom II and added the grips for a classic look.

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    (Taken just after first trip to the range, you can see the finish already rubbing off the back)

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