Colt AR platform in .22 caliber

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by Nomad 1, Apr 9, 2009.

  1. Nomad 1

    Nomad 1 New Member

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    I was at the range a week ago. They only have a 25 yd range limited to handgun calibers. One person brought in what looked like an M4 carbine as I was leaving. A quick inquiry to him on this and he said it was convertible between 22 LR rimfire and .223 center fire. Later I saw a photo post from the Shot Show in Orlando that said Colt made something similar to what I saw. I'll be darned if I can find anything else on this. No info on the civilian Colt web site and I can't remember where I found the photos of the Shot Show.

    Can anyone help me out with this? I tried a forum search and came up empty. I realize, though, that this does not mean it's not there.

    Thanks in advance.
     

  2. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    When I was younger I went to a summer camp at Indiana's Camp Atterbury just south of Indy. It was run by the Army and we got to do some of the same things our military servicemen and women do. We rode in M113 APC's and ran the obstacle course and got to shoot AR-15s. The AR's they let us shoot were equipt with the .22 LR conversion kits.

    They had them for sale at the MG shoot at Knob Creek last week but I didn't look at them so I couldn't tell you what the price was.
     
  3. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    ANY 5.56/.223 AR can be converted to fire .22LR for a couple of hundred bucks - so I don't understand the question.

    Are you looking for a purpose built one from Colt?

    Or are you looking for a way to convert the gun you already have or are thinking about purchasing?

    JD
     
  4. Nomad 1

    Nomad 1 New Member

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    Response to a question

    In response to the question from Dillinger, no I am not looking to convert a rifle I own nor am I looking to buy anything at the moment.

    The person I met at the range indicatd he had purchased the rifle in the current configuration.

    I was just curious. Had I the time, I would have talked to the folks at the gunshop. I then saw the reference to a Colt from Shot Show 09 but could not find this on their we site.

    I figured this group would know something so I posted the question. I did get responses and I appreciate the help.
     
  5. County Boy

    County Boy New Member

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    I just joined this site today, read your message and yes Colt is making a .22 cal. that looks an AR. Do not know to much about them I have seen 3 for sale recently up here in Maine@ local gun store. Owner said Colt started making them this year or last. My buddy bought one last week, haven' t talked to him lately so not sure how he likes it. Hopefully I'll have more to tell u later.
     
  6. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    they are made by Umarex, and are on the galleryofguns
     
  7. cyberpunk

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    Local gun store here ordered 50 of them 2 weeks ago and had one left on Friday. They were going for $569 and were a full Colt AR in a .22LR caliber. 16" tactical barrel and adjustable stock are standard. It's a great .22 from what I can tell.
     
  8. chucksolo69

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    I just brought one of these home on Saturday. No, they are NOT made by Umarex. Umarex is the importer. They are fully licensed by Colt and and made by Carl Walther in Germany. I haven't shot mine, but the darned thing is excellent in fit and finish and is pretty heavy for a .22 LR. The bolt release does not work and neither does the forward assist plunger, but other than that and the 180 degree rotation of the safety, the thing is identical to a .223 Colt M4 down to the bayonet lug under the barrel. The receiver is aluminum with a steel bolt. The magazine is also aluminum. Since I live in California, mine came with a 10 rd. magazine. The sights are also standard M4 and the manual says they are NOT graduated for .22 LR so sighting in will have to be done hit and miss. The carry handle is removable for installation of optical sights. If my new M4 .22 shoots as well as it looks I will be overjoyed. I paid $675.00 for mine but have seen them advertised for less. This is a great alternative for those that want a semi-auto .22 but do NOT want a Ruger 10/22 or Marlin semi (everybody and his uncle has these).
     
  9. Nomad 1

    Nomad 1 New Member

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    Thanks

    :D

    Thanks for the input. Now I am a bit more than just curious. If anyone has time to post a range report I would enjoy reading the comments.

    At first I did not think I would want an AR type rifle in .22 caliber. I asked the question out of curiosity. However, the man I met seemed to be having a good time at the indoor pistol range. The range is much closer to my house than the rifle range and much more comfortable in winter. Hence, I am now intrigued.

    BTW, I finally saw an ad from Colt for this rifle. I guess the way demand is going, new products are taking much longer to get to the public.

    Again,
    Thanks to all.
     
  10. chucksolo69

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    Nomad 1, at the store I bought mine at, they had 15 at the beginning of the week and by Friday they had one left. They sold out of the M4 style almost immediately. I can see that once they really catch on with the shooting public, they are gonna be hard to get. I know here in California, the shooting public has been waiting for something like this for a long, long time. We will probably never be able to own a Colt AR15 or any variant in .223 as long as Boxter and Feinstein are in office. This is the next best thing.
     
  11. Nomad 1

    Nomad 1 New Member

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    Thanks

    ;)
    Thanks, Chuck.

    I'm from Illinois. I know exactly what you mean. Our politician are all in the pocket of the Chicago machine. Durbin and Burress anre no different than Boxer and Fienstein save for gender. Pure statists that cringe at the thought of individual rights.

    Now that the Wisconsin AG has ruled that open carry is legal my poor excuse for a state is the only one in this nation without some form of permitted carry. It will be that way until we rid ourselves of the fascist element on the southwest side of the lake. On the other hand, I can still buy an AR without the ridiculous restrictions you face.

    Oh well.

    Pray for justice at the ballot box in '10 and '12.
     
  12. chucksolo69

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    I finally got to shoot my Colt M4 .22 so here is a quick range report.

    I fired three types of ammo from the gun; American Eagle (Federal), CCI Mini Mags, Remington Target. All shooting was done off hand at 25 yards since our indoor range only has a 25 yard rifle range and 15 yard pistol ranges; I shot 5 shot strings with the iron sights only at NRA slow fire pistol targets. I did not have time to clean the rifle before shooting but I did put a drop of Hoppes #9 in the firing pin area just so that any grease there would disolve. Here are my findings.

    It took me 10 shots to zero the rifle with the Mini Mags, which I tested first. After shooting 100 Mini Mags, I had 2 light strikes (failure to fire) and no misfeeds or failures to eject. Average group size was around 2" with an occassional flier due to my less than perfect eyes and a less than stellar trigger pull; the trigger seemed to get better the more I shot though.

    I didn't have to re-zero the rifle for the American Eagle loads. But Wow, I literally cut the red bull's eye out of a fresh target with these. There were NO hits in the 8 or 9 ring at all, just in the red bull's eye. Incredible for a new uncleaned rifle. The results were the same for 100 rounds using 4 different targets. I had one light strike with these loads and all other rounds fired perfectly with no stoppages of any kind.

    The Remington target loads were a different story. The loads were fairly accurate, on par with the Mini Mags, but I had 5 light strikes with this ammo no failures to feed or eject however.

    All in all I am really happy with this rifle. I am going to try the Fedeal Bulk ammo next as it seems to like the American Eagle brand made by Federal. I found I could shoot the gun better with the buttstock extended fully. The gun ejects the empty cases with authority and well to the side. Sight adjustment was easy, but the front was a bit harder to adjust for elevation than the rear. I used the rear small apeture peep sight for this test. The magazine was pretty hard to remove for the first 50 rounds or so, after a while though it became pretty easy to remove and install. One complaint I have read on the forums is that the ejection port cover doesn't work; I can tell you mine does. It stays closed as long as the bolt is in the rear position. During insertion of the magazine and charging the gun, the ejection port cover pops open when the round is picked up from the magazine and the bolt slams shut; pretty neat. All in all, this rifle fits the bill for me just right. I am one of the few people on the planet who are just not into the whole Ruger 10/22 customization thing. I have wanted a .22 rifle like this for a long time and Colt/Walther finally made my wish come true. While pricey at $675.00 compared to other semi-auto .22s, I still think that for me, it was a great buy.
     
  13. rachilders

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    Our local sporting goods store got a shipment of both the Colt M4 22's and the S&W M&P 22 in last week. After handling both guns and doing some checking around the internet for reviews of the two guns, I bought the S&W. I preferred the lighter weight polymer construction (this is not "cheap" plastic), the standard factory rails and the fact that it was $125-$150 cheaper than the Colt. FYI, I walked out the door with the M&P for $450. I already had a lot of extra parts from an AR that I had years ago - I wasn't impressed with the gun and sold it - so I was able to add a carry handle and vertical grip at no extra cost along with some rail covers. FYI, the picture here is not my personal gun but was taken from the S&W site, but is the same except for the accessories I just mentioned.

    I shot about 100 rds my first trip to the range with the M&P. It was just as accurate and reliable as my old Ruger 10/22 and I'm able to do a lot more with it as far as customizing how I set it up. Also, This gun is just plain FUN to shoot! As I said this gun is lighter than the Colt and being it's a 22LR and not a center fire round, that was a nice plus. Also, there are no non-functioning knobs or buttons (like fake forward assists) installed just for looks. You can swap out the M&P's trigger assembly with any standard AR match trigger as well as the stocks and the rails accept Weaver based and picatinny accessories. It will also accept most aftermarket pistol grips. I can't confirm it personally, but according to several different reviews I read the barrels are high quality and made by Thompson-Center.

    As I said, I looked at both guns and for my purposes, the S&W M&P 15/22 was the way to go. OTOH, if you want something closer to the classic M4 and/or like the feel of metal vs. polymer you may prefer the Colt.
     

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  14. hydrashok

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    I'm curious... does the .22 have a standard lower that will support a .223/5.56mm upper??
     
  15. chucksolo69

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    No it does not. The gun is a dedicated .22.