Colorado: This Session’s Most Unconstitutional Bill to be Introduced Tomorrow

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Bigcountry02, Apr 5, 2013.

  1. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    WTF! These liberal left-wing commie rats!

    Well, Colorado I will never enter this state ever. I forgot to add, you will not get a penny of my money!

    http://www.nraila.org/legislation/s...itutional-bill-to-be-introduced-tomorrow.aspx

    Colorado legislators are not finished devouring your constitutional rights. Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse in Denver, state Representative Beth McCann (D-8) will be submitting legislation tomorrow that will nullify the right to due process for gun owners throughout Colorado.

    Under this proposed language, your fundamental Second Amendment rights would hinge on the impression you make with doctors (of any sort, whether or not in a mental health specialty), therapists, counselors and social workers. These medical professionals could simply report you, your wife, son or daughter to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) and have your name placed in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) if they believe you pose a “significant risk” to yourself or others.

    Under this proposed language, once your name has been placed on this list, you automatically lose the right to possess a firearm of any type for one full year. You may lose your constitutionally protected Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms all based upon the passing opinion of another. You receive no trial or legal proceeding where you could defend yourself and your inherent rights.

    A parent who brings a child in for counseling, a person who attends a stress reduction seminar or someone who calls an employee assistance hotline after a bad day at work could be reported, without any ability to contest or answer concerns, and subject to one year prohibition from owning and possessing a firearm.

    Compare this scheme to the revocation process for a driver’s license. Absent some unlawful conduct on the part of the licensee, the state could only revoke a drivers license, for which the licensee has no specific constitutional right, after a hearing proves that the licensee was somehow unqualified to have the license. This means that in Colorado, if this legislation were enacted, your constitutional rights would not compare in importance to the ability of being able to drive a car.

    The unconstitutional behavior of anti-gun legislators in Denver can be tolerated no more. They are summarily destroying your hunting and shooting heritage and they are trying to take what is left of your Second Amendment rights in Colorado before the end of this legislative session.

    We need you to contact Representative Beth McCann and state House Leadership TODAY AND EVERYDAY UNTIL THEY KILL THIS BILL and respectfully tell them you oppose any effort to steal away your constitutional rights!

    Representative Mark Ferrandino (D-2), House Speaker
    303-866-2346
    E-mail: mferrandino@yahoo.com
    https://twitter.com/MarkFerrandino
    https://www.facebook.com/markferrandino

    Representative Dickey Lee Hullinghorst (D-10), House Majority Leader
    303-866-2348
    E-mail: dl.hullinghorst.house@state.co.us
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dickey-Lee-Hullinghorst/108073405879629

    Representative Dan Pabon (D-4), Assistant House Majority Leader
    303-866-2954
    E-mail: dan.pabon.house@state.co.us
    https://twitter.com/RepPabon
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dan-Pabon/107558327731

    Representative Lois Court (D-6), House Majority Caucus Chair
    303-866-2967
    E-mail: lois.court.house@state.co.us

    Representative Dominick Moreno (D-32), Assistant House Majority Caucus Chair
    303-866-2964
    E-mail: dominick.moreno.house@state.co.us
    https://twitter.com/domoreno
    https://www.facebook.com/dominickmoreno

    Representative Beth McCann (D-8), House Majority Caucus Whip
    303-866-2959
    E-mail: beth.mccann.house@state.co.us
    https://twitter.com/BethMcCannHD8
    https://www.facebook.com/Rep.BethMcCann

    Representative Su Ryden (D-36), House Majority Deputy Whip
    303-866-2942
    E-mail: su.ryden.house@state.co.us
    https://twitter.com/suryden
    https://www.facebook.com/su.ryden

    Representative Claire Levy (D-13), House Speaker Pro Tempore
    303-866-2578
    E-mail: claire.levy.house@state.co.us
    https://twitter.com/RepClaireLevy
    https://www.facebook.com/representativeclaire.levy
     
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  2. sputnik1988

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    Yup, Colorado will never see one cent from me either... I was planning a trip there this year too. Screw 'em.
     

  3. AR10

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    One state, then another, and another. Say goodbye to freedom.
     
  4. deadsp0t

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    Wait, we all agree the idiots shooting up innocent people are flat out mental cases. As gun owners this is our reasoning for zero tolerance to new or further restrictions on firearms. Which I agree with btw. But who in the hell do we as responsible gun owners expect anyone to take us or that point of view seriously when we, myself Included, just as angered by the mental evaluation as I am the gun restrictions..

    We say 'someone should have seen these people's mental capacity was less then normal and someone should have recognized the potential for him to flip out and shoot people'

    Right? I've seen this in at least 100 threads(or more) but as soon as anyone tries to introduce legislation that would protect those of that don't need more then a close friend to talk to about a bad day at work, some people flip out.

    You can't have it both ways, you can't blame the shootings on crazy people saying 'someone should have seen it coming and stopped him, blame them' then take away the people you claim should have stopped themselves ability to do so.

    As someone you guys claims leans a little to the 'left' I can tell you right now this issue I'm pointing out is why people speak down about gun owners and people on the 'right'

    Believe it or not, neither side 'left or right' is 100% right 100% of the time.. Kinda like a marriage, neither side is 100% all the time.. And until BOTH side start compromising we are all ****ed...

    If you know 100% of half the story, you only know 50% of the whole story.
     
  5. msup752

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    Personal Protection orders do the same thing here in MI. Almost all are entered in the nationwide NCIC computer and are Ex Parte (no hearing, only one side is testifying to the judge).
    It restricts movement of the respondent and possibly firearm ownership. I spoke to the judge who signs most of these orders to see how rights can be revoked with no crime committed or due process. The answer was that irreparable harm may be done if the order is not granted. Yikes!
    Of course the orders are worthless. They will not stop a bullet.
    So if PPO's are constitutional then this new CO law will likely stand if it passes. It will prevent irreparable harm...
     
  6. alsaqr

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    ^^^^^This^^^^^

    Now we learn the CO theater murderer had been reported to police as a threat to the public by his shrink. Nothing was done and numerous good folks died. How strange this never came out before. The wacko piece of human excrement who murdered all those college students in VA was not supposed to be able to buy a gun. But he got one anyway.

    Read more: Aurora theater shooting documents: Doctor reported James Holmes was threat to public - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...it-aurora-theater-shooting-case#ixzz2Pac2uhR3
     
  7. deadsp0t

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    Just to clarify, I'm not saying that one person should be responsible for deciding mental capacity, what I saying is if we are claiming mental capacity is the issue then someone(a group or whatever) has to decide.
     
  8. fmj

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    this is just more feel good legislation aimed at destroying liberty. It will do nothing significant to stop psychos.

    First off, i am sure most of us here will agree that criminals dont obey laws.

    Second, criminals/mass murderers generally dont obtain their weapons thru lawful channels.

    Third, a scenario for thought. Lets say Leroy, a before hand law abiding, gun owning citizen has a safe full of guns and ammo. Then X-wife, Dr., Counselor, what have you decides to report Leroy for being unstable for whatever reason. His constitutional right to PURCHASE firearms is stripped...he already HAS a safe full of guns and ammo! If confiscation took place (i see no provision for confiscation of private property) whos to say he couldnt obtain a weapon thru channels other than "lawful".

    This is back door/defacto stripping of 2a rights.
     
  9. Mack Bolan

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    anyone can practically say anything these days to the wrong person and look how far it can go before the truth comes to the surface.....

    <cough>... duke lacrosse team... <cough>
     
  10. JonM

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    The difference is we arent wanting someone to lose rights by fiat of some leftist high school ged type calling themselves a counselor.

    We are demanding the courts, da's, police do their damn jobs and investigate people bring mental evals up and do the work neccessary to adjudicate someone fairly and in accordance within existing laws.

    Every single case of a mass shooter, that person has been well known by either the courts, police, district attournies, or medical proffessionals and completely ignored. INCLUDING LANZA AND HOLMES!!!!

    We dont need new laws we need to have our g-damned public officials do their fking jobs not give up rights en-masse.

    We need removal of "gun free" zones and a public policy promoting concealed carry everywhere.
     
  11. deadsp0t

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    Those kids were acquitted, and had they not been there to start with they wouldn't have been accused. I'm sure they learned a lesson in making better choices, like Kobe Bryant..
     
  12. fmj

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    I just wrote a paper about this very subject. The kids and coach of the duke lacrosse team lives were ruined by the mere accusation of a psycho crack head. (the coach was immediately fired by Duke on mere accusations and a media racist witch hunt, the kids were attacked and harrassed mercilessly because of the same mere accusations of a useless crack head and leftist media racist witch hunt!)

    Take the "made bad choices" crap and stuff it. THEY DID NOTHING WRONG!! They held a party, and invited strippers to the party...if you are or were a young 20 something college student and DIDNT do something like this, i would question your sanity quicker then some kids that did exactly what kids DO in college. They broke NO LAW by holding a party on private property!

    By the way, the psycho crack head whore that started those allegations went to prison for attempted murder, for a separate incident, a few months after that particular incident.

    The psycho crack whore had no less than 5 separate DNA donations in her "happy parts"/panties...NONE of which belonged to ANY member of the team.

    Sp your advocating allowing a citizen to be stripped of their god given, natural right to keep and bear arms by the mere accusation of some addle pated crack whore?

    SMDH!
     
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  13. chloeshooter

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    what a f_ _ ked-up state! hopefully, someone will see how horrible this is for our right to privacy. If they re-elect these buffoons in CO then we'll know it's the people as well as the politicians that are to blame for the trashing of citizens rights.
     
  14. locutus

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    Quit holding back! Tell us how you really feel!:D:D:D
     
  15. bluez

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    I can already see it: you give a cooky social worker a piece of your mind and suddenly you are a "danger"
     
  16. deadsp0t

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    I live 45 minutes from durham and I know the story.
    Regardless or right or wrong, legal or illegal, that's the risk you run. Duke university has higher standards and expectations of staff and students then to even be in a position to be accused.. What I've done in my life is way worse, what I've been accused of is even worse..
     
  17. WebleyFosbery38

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    Recognizing that mental defect is a common thread and preventing it are two different animals all together! It could easily be said that all criminals are Mentally Defective, Psychopaths account for most crime because the laws dont matter to them, never will. Take their guns; they get a 5 gallon can of Gas, a or a Van, both of which could be so much more devastating as proven in the news every single day, 365 a year, thousands of dead in their wakes, not 20 kids.

    Cant stop every crime, even those as shocking as Sandy Hook; luckily they are the few not the many! When folks say prevention is just a medical report away, I say hogwash! Parents and Teachers know these kids better than anyone and they know better than anyone when Jr is off his meds and his rocker. The first crime in most loonies lives is not mass murder, its just the last one before someone close or far puts an end to their lives.

    You can prevent many tragedies in life but this isnt one of them. Mental illness is not like an Icy Sidewalk u can just spread salt on. I cnat even think of a legitimate method of weeding the ok loonies from the way too dangerous to be in society ones, neither can the Head Dr's!
     
  18. alsaqr

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    The day before Adam Lanza killed 26 teachers and kids he had an altercation with four teachers at that school. The next day Lanza killed three of those teachers. What was the piece of human excrement doing at the school arguing with teachers? Answer: We don't know. Did any one of those teachers call the cops? Answer: We don't know. If the altercation were reported to the police there is a good possibility they would hide that fact.

    There is a good chance that something happened the day before at that school that caused Adam Lanza to come back and murder 26 people. Was he casing the school? Again, we don't know. We will probably never know the answers to numerous questions involving nutcase Adam Lanza.

    What we do know: Early last year the damn CT legislature failed to pass legislation that would have allowed for the involuntary incarceration/treatment of nutcases who pose a threat to themselves and others. Had that law passed maybe Nancy lanza could have got help for her wacko son.

    Meanwhile back at the capitol: The anti-self defense, anti-gun fools are putting restrictions on folks ability to defend themselves from human predators.