Well My buddy finaly tagged one on his property . It was a ten point or five by five it should have been a Six by five but he had brocken his one G4 off and both his brow tines were brocken but not right down. he went 210 lbs. Tom got him with his bow no blood trail there was no exit because the arrow got stuck in the brisket . He hit it just behind the ribbs and went about 20 yrds. The temp was about -20 celcious or about 5 farenhiet(sp) F.K.