Coach Gun for home defense?

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by Dr. Marneaus, Oct 13, 2009.

  1. Dr. Marneaus

    Dr. Marneaus New Member

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    I'm wondering what the opinion would be on a coach gun for home defense? Or maybe even just a SxS with longer barrels?

    Makes some sense to me, i know you'd be limited in the fact that you only have 2 shots, but it sort of seems like the "revolver" of shotguns. Not a whole lot can go wrong with the gun. Just slip the safety with your thumb and away you go. No action to work or anything (assuming there are no external hammers). Nice and quiet until it goes BOOM.

    Or, is this just a dumb idea, kind of "why would you get a SxS over a mossberg or remington pump?"

    Just curious to hear some opinions!

    Also, i'm not talking about the stupid Stoeger "double defense" hahaha. I dont need rails on my SxS
     
  2. OlPainless

    OlPainless New Member

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    In my opinion there is no beating a good 870 or 500 pump. They are proven platforms and i've never know either one to have any failures (aside from interwebz hearsay). If you're looking for quiet, just leave a round chambered, but one of the most interesting aspects of a shotgun is the psychological advantage it gives you. Anyone with enough pudding-brain to hang around after hearing the "shick-clack" of a round being chambered into a 12 gauge probably deserves what's around the corner.

    I can't think of a single reason why a side by side would have any advantage over a good American pump, other than the quicker follow up shot, but you only get one. How much hamburger do you want to make?
     
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  3. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Add my voice to the choir for the 870 (or 590). Snip the barrel down to 18 inches, stick a mag tube extender on it, load it full of buck, and you have an outstanding home defense tool. If you don't like the noise of racking a pump, keep a shell in the chamber.
     
  4. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    When you lay both barrels of 3" 00 buck into a bad guy, his buddies aren't likely to hang out and fight.

    I happen to like the Double Defense, it would be nice to throw an EOTech onto one. The 65 MOA circle would be awesome for quick acquisition on 25 foot+ shots.
     
  5. divinginn

    divinginn New Member

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    The only advantage of a double barrel would be no chance of a jamb,I would think two barrels of 00 buck would solve most attitude problems you would encounter. I would put one of those ammo bands on the stocks that hold extra ammo so you wouldn't be fumbling around trying to reload.
     
  6. Dr. Marneaus

    Dr. Marneaus New Member

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    Yeah, and the point of the coach or SxS is that its plain and simple, 2 triggers, pull pull reload asses the situation.

    I'm not one for the "rack the slide and let anyone who may or may not be armed and may or may not want to harm you that you have a shotgun loaded and ready to shoot and also exactly where you are" system. I agree, if i had a pump it would be chambered and saftied, but still.

    So, a coach gun would be fun for shooting as well, but pretty much useless as far as any shooting beyond basic recreation or cowboy action.

    Oh and...how useful for other crap would a coach gun be if it had interchangeable chokes? I know the fancy version of the stoegers have chokes.
     
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  7. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Two shots is probably adequate if you hit your target. I prefer 8 opportunities to two. But that's just me.

    As for jams, I've had a stovepipe or two from some light loads a buddy made up, but otherwise nothing. I get you that the simplicity of the coach is desirable, but the added complexity of a pump ain't that bad and either the Remington or Mossberg are very reliable.
     
  8. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Be a man, get a single trigger. That way, you can give them both barrels with one easy trigger pull.

    Damn, that's a mess I wouldn't want in my house.
     
  9. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    A Coach gun is a perfectly adequate HD shotgun just like a Single Action Army loaded properly with 5 rounds of your favorite black powder cartridge is a good concealed carry handgun.

    There are many superior firearms that have been invented in the 20th century that will be better choices.
     
  10. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    OK- I will be the odd man out.

    Would I consider a good pump better? Probably. HOWEVER....

    How many shots are you going to take? And in average home defense, how many rounds get fired?

    Some folks like the ability to keep a shotgun unloaded, but load VERY quickly. Go watch some of the serious competitors on Single Action Shooting (Cowboy up!)- those sxs scatterguns reload REALLY fast if you know what you are doing. AND- you don't have the problem of short-strokin' a pump (ask a range officer how many rookie LEOs do that) if a hammer spring or firing pin breaks, you have another, etc.

    PS- my Uncle Bill drove up on a burglary in progress at his daughter's home. Bad guy ran outside, and fired a pistol at Uncle Bill. Only thing he had in the truck was my grandad's 12 g. Parker. It worked.

    But last- food for thought, guys- some folks live in areas that have outlawed pump and autoloader shotguns. Under those circumstances, if you choice were a SXS or my pellet rifle, well, HELL-O LC Smith!
     
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  11. Dr. Marneaus

    Dr. Marneaus New Member

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    Also, another reason I was thinking about it is size. Coach guns are downright small, for a shotgun with a stock, and still pack a whallop.

    I suppose a mossy or 870 with a pistol grip would be smaller, but you lose the control of the stock.

    I figure it'd be a HELL of alot easier to navigate through hallways with a coach gun that a full length 870 or 500, and probably still a bit easier than one with a 20" barrell and 8 shot tube.
     
  12. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    A gun with an 18" barrel and either no stock or a collapsible stock is pretty small. You can get around very well. You're right that a full-length bird gun is not the best choice for pieing an area and clearing your house.
     
  13. totallyfrozen

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    Actually, it's not possible to shoot both barrels simultaneously on the single trigger models. The first pull discharges the right barrel which has an Improved Cylinder choke; the second pull discharges the left barrel which has a Modified choke (unless you get the expensive model with interchangeable chokes).

    I own a Stoeger coach gun (not the new black one but an older one from about 13 years ago). It has double triggers (no hammers). I have the option of firing one barrel at a time or both barrels.

    The one thing I find silly about the chokes is having different chokes on a shotgun with 20" barrels. IMO, the barrels simply are not long enough to benefit from various chokes (and having interchangeable chokes on a barrel only 20" is pointless, as far as I'm concerned). IMO, both barrel should have Cylinder bore choke.

    I think the real challenge of using the coach gun in defense is practicing to be able to reload very quickly. It requires practice, practice, practice.

    I also have a Winchester 1300 Defender with an 18" barrel and an extended mag to hold 7 rounds. The Winchester is my preferred defense gun, but I don't count the coach gun as useless or a silly idea. It'll work if you practice with it...IMHO.
     
  14. hawkguy

    hawkguy Well-Known Member

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    i use my coachgun as my HD. i like a few things about it.

    1) its a shotgun
    2) short, maneuverable
    3) easy to understand for family members not as familiar with guns
    4) easy to load and unload...like when you leave your house..... i always thought it would be the most bitter irony if someone broke into my house and ended up using my gun on me.
    5) quick & safe....all i have to do is close the action & ready to go, not much chance of accidental discharge being that you don't have a round "in the chamber."

    only downside is ....two shots.
     
  15. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Read a thread on another site about a guy taking a Stevens side by side and cutting it down to a minimal length gun as a truck gun. Seemed like a pretty neat project. In a defensive situation, hopefully you would only need two shots. I like the reassurance of extra shots though. I like my pump guns.
     
  16. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    I agree a pump gun would be better overall, but, I think a double-barrel coach-type has some unique if not minor advantages and would be adequate in most situations. It would not leave me feeling undergunned if I needed a closer range longarm. I would want extra ammo readily available tho.
     
  17. Big-Nasty

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    I would get a pump for home defense. You get more rounds and you can buy a good pump for the same price as a double barrel. And also there's more aftermarket mods for pumps than double barrels. There's alot of cool stuff out there for Mossberg 500's and Remington 870's.
     
  18. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Double trigger guns cannot go off at once as each trigger is pulled one after the other but very quickly. My cz ringneck SxS has single trigger and ive had it double or bump fire from improper technique. I couldnt shoot anymore for a week. Stock wasnt seated right and it pounded me twice in such rapid fashion it felt like one massive shot in just the wrong place.
     
  19. Durangokid

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    The choice of weapons for use in the home is a tough call. Some years ago we tested 12 Ga. short guns with heavy loads. This was done in an old home which was being torn down. This was a sturdy no plaster board house. The damage done to walls and furniture around the exit areas hit with Buck Shot was increible. Shot that went thru bed room walls sprayed wood and plaster thru out the entire room. Anyone sleeping in one of those rooms would have been wounded or worse. The short Aguilla Shot Shells #7 1/2 shot worked best with little damage to inside walls. You have to consider your family as well as taking out a BG.;)
     
  20. bearrwe

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    C3 you're not that odd!:D I have kids in my house and don't want to leave a loaded gun laying around. Yes my kids know gun safety but that's another discussion. I keep the stage coach broken open but empty by my bed. I have 2 3" #7 shells hidden around the room up out of reach. If I ever need the gun I have it and can load it quicker and quieter than a pump. The gun safe is nearby so all I need it for is to get to the kids and get to the gun safe.I put it back in the safe every morning and we're good to go.I live in an apartment my neighbors bedroom is on the other side of the wall. I'm not looking to go confront anyone just keep my kids safe until LEOs show up. The bedrooms are upstairs and I have a clear shot at the head of the stairs but going down is blind.