Clear infringement of our 2A rights!!

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Vincine, Jan 23, 2014.

  1. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    Do you guys know about this? We weren’t even allowed to carry on the space shuttles or station. Don’t know about the Soyuz capsule. It’s Russian so I don’t think US rules apply.

    Federal Aviation Administration Regulations
    § 135.119
    Operating requirements: commuter and on-demand operations and rules governing persons on board such aircraft;
    Subpart B - Flight Operations Security.
    An operator must implement security requirements to prevent any space flight participant from jeopardizing the safety of the flight crew or the public.
    A space flight participant may not carry on board any explosives, firearms, knives, or other weapons.
    Amdt. 460-, Eff. 2/13/2007

    Reference: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_G...2579E200570E33?OpenDocument&Highlight=weapons


    Should this be posted in Legal?
     
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  2. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I'll bet it has to do with oxygen being pumped into the capsule? I'm not sure.
     

  3. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    That just screwed up all my beliefs I have acquired from outer space movies.

    Imagine Red Planet without weapons.
     
  4. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    More like the negative effects of everything exiting through a bullet hole into space like a meat grinder if you broke the seal on it with an oh sh!t moment.!
     
  5. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Phukk them. I'm carrying my phaser whether they like it or not!:p
     
  6. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Probably right.
     
  7. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    I was thinking about becoming an astronaut but after finding out about this, I think I'll just stay an astronaught.
     
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  8. 303tom

    303tom Well-Known Member

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    Why would oxygen being pumped into the capsule have anything to do with it ?..............I guess you mean letting it out !...........
     
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  9. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    They use scrubbers and burners like a submarine. They recycle their atmosphere. They have some back-up oxygen, and oxygen generators, but oxygen by itself isn't flamable. The hydrogen which is a by-product from the O2 generators is explosive though. The fire triangle requires oxygen, fuel and heat each. now having powder igniting in an oxygen rich environment could make for a brighter flash, but once the fuel is consumed the fire is out.

    Holes in a presurized people container are bad.
     
  10. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Submarines are kind of the oposite. We worry about the pressure outside overcming the inside. If we exceed the crush limits it become like being in a diesel cylinder. Everything compresses until hot enough to combust, and it's over in a flash. I never dwelt on it. Figured it beat drowning or burning slowly.

    Every ship in the Navy can dive (once). Submarines can come back up.

    Every submarine has a maximum depth capability to go all the way to the bottom (once).

    "There's air in the banks, and shiz in the tanks. Don't worry about the fire the flooding will put it out."

    Just a little of the grave sub humor we share.
     
  11. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    Is a submarine a ‘Gun Free Zone’?

    Would having that kind of lethality, on a boomer with a couple of dozen ICBMs with X warheads, be considered dangerous?
     
  12. Ez2b

    Ez2b New Member

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    Just a thought wouldn't a slingshot just be is deadly with no gravity

    EZ
     
  13. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    Hell, using a farmer thumb to nose snot fling could be dangerous with zero gravity! A crusty one could take an eye out from across the lab!
     
  14. AIKIJUTSU

    AIKIJUTSU New Member

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    Pure Oxygen would make the powder burn faster than in a nitrogen-rich atmosphere like on Earth, and would build up excessive pressure In the chamber once the bullet exits the cartridge. This may cause the gun to break, maybe catastrophically. But likely the atmosphere in a space vehicle or station is not pure Oxygen. A small hole in the wall could easily be patched. But a space vehicle or station is a stressful environment, and if our people are sharing it with Russians or Chinese, there could be some small dispute trigger mayhem on board. (But if the Americans win, where's the down side?) :D
     
  15. TLuker

    TLuker New Member

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    How about the international space station? :)
     
  16. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    We have small arms lockers onboard. They could be opened to issue out weapons for a "repel boarders' alarm. Obviously only if we were running on the surface or in port. Most likely handguns and shotguns would be issued for inside use, while we have belt-fed machine guns and M16/M4 rifles for the outside. My last ship was a SSGN, so we also kept some weapons and equipment pre-staged for SEAL's. And we had no nuclear missiles. Just somewhere over 100 conventional Tomahawk cruise missiles.

    One of the accurate lines in "The Hunt for Red October" is, "Be careful Mr. Ryan, there are some things back there that don't react well with bullets." The nukes are pretty stable, the rocket fuel not as much. Most small arms rounds wouldn't pentrate the tubes though, but some of the hydraulic systems, high pressure air systems, electrical systems, high explosives in torpedos, etc. are more volatile.
     
  17. AIKIJUTSU

    AIKIJUTSU New Member

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    This is just a wild guess, but since it is the "international" space station, it would cause some serious PC problems.
     
  18. TLuker

    TLuker New Member

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    Now that would just suck if you couldn't do a little plinking while out on a space walk! :mad:
     
  19. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    I wasn’t really concerned about the security of the ICBMs from small arms fire. I just thought it would’ve been ironic for people capable of killing a few hundred million, to not be trusted with small arms. :rolleyes:

    (100+ Tomahawks? Really?)
     
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  20. AIKIJUTSU

    AIKIJUTSU New Member

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    :)
    Yes it would...