christmas wish

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by sagenodland, Dec 2, 2011.

  1. sagenodland

    sagenodland New Member

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    Right now i got i wish list for a few rifles this is kind of a rifle i can count on and will be the first ill grab
    1. Henry lever action. 22
    2. Savage axis. 308
    3. Moisin nagant
    I want the savage for 600 yard shots maybe? But i want the henry for the ease and cheapness of the ammo but i want the mosin for the power and cheapness of ammo
    What one would you chose?
     
  2. humboldtshooter

    humboldtshooter New Member

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    Surprisingly the 2 calibers are on my list aswell and the mosin nagant. First off, there arent many upgrades for the mosin, but you can clean them up to be very nic rifles. I've seen some great mosins on gunbroker.com second, you can get all of those calibers for a good price. I always said my next gun would be a .308 until i bought my AR lower. My pick would be between the savage and the mosin. Can i ask why you went with the axis? Is it cost?
     

  3. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Mosin all the way.
     
  4. sagenodland

    sagenodland New Member

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    Yes it was mostly cost and ive heard they can shoot MOA and the bolt is a little stiff but smooths out over time i just want to be able to hit a 26" target out to 600 yards with it and i dont think i can do that with a mosin
     
  5. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    I can hit soda cans at 100 yards with mine. The bolt isn't quite so stiff if it and the chamber are cleaned really well. The stiffness comes mostly from cosmoline in the chamber.
     
  6. sagenodland

    sagenodland New Member

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    I was talking about the axis
     
  7. humboldtshooter

    humboldtshooter New Member

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    I've heard of people decosmolining(lol) their mosins which helps the bokt dramatically. I really want a mosin myself, but I believe I would choose the .308. I was looking at the savages for awhile and found good and bad reviews until i came across the howa 1500. The cost is a little different, but worth every penny. That is my recommendation. Congrats on which ever you decide
     
  8. Muliemaster

    Muliemaster New Member

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    Marlin x7s in 308 over a howa or savage axis any day, the fit an finish is great they are tack drivers , adjustable triggers, an for $320
     
  9. Marlinman

    Marlinman New Member

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    Marlin's x7s .308 are just as cheap already smooth from factory and is just as if not more accurate than the savage
     
  10. PatrickHarrison

    PatrickHarrison New Member

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    Id say the axis .308 the cartridge is universal there not as good as 111 but still Savage all the way!! The mosin nagant m91/30 is what ive got o boy i love it 7.62X54R ammo is cheap n affordable the 150 grain monarch 5 moa at a hundred yards on a bad day n 2.5 moa at 100 on a good day. I wouldnt mind havein a old 8mm mauser to put a ati stock on it love the cartridge several a critter haven fallen to it from my dad.
     
  11. Firearms4ever

    Firearms4ever New Member

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    I'm with Trip on this. I would get the Mosin Nagant, because they're cheap, a hoot to shoot, and very historical. Not to mention that in my opinion it's a good idea to go ahead and pick one up, and stock up on ammunition for it before they become harder to come by.
     
  12. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    Pure sacrilege! A few issues w/ that fugly stock! 1st off it is butt ugly. Second the scope attaches to the stock, not the receiver, so accuracy can't be good as plastic is not as strong as steel. Try 180gr in your 91/30, you'll see a great improvement in accuracy.
     
  13. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Ah well, the same still applies.
     
  14. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    I own a axis in .223 as I wanted a cheap plinker that would reach out for coyotes also.
    My bolt is smooth as butter from day one , my only complaint was the heavy trigger pull @ 6.53# which after a little polishing and new spring all done by myself in about 30 minutes is at 3.12# . Love the gun , super accurate and resonably priced .
    Some guys complain about the flimsy stock ? Im not sure what there talking about its poly and its going to have some give but its not as bad as I have read about . My next one will be in a .308 and it will probably be another axis unless there is a better deal than it . You wont regret buying one , is uses the same barrels at there other high end rifles . but dont buy the scope package they offer , its not a great scope and you can use that $60 towards a nice 6-24X40 for another $40-$50 .
    and the 3-9X40 it comes with isnt enough scope anyway . I bought a NIB Bushnell banner 6-24X40 for $109 shipped and its been a great scope so far , no complaints but I needed something to get me out to 300+ yards
     
  15. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Sage,

    The good news is that you can shoot the Savage in 308 at 600 yards with no problem. You will need to learn a little bit about reading the wind. And time to put your dope together! Not talking about Dope Dope! What I am talking about is noting your adjustments for trajectory for the bullet you are shooting even to the specific *Lot Number matched to your rifle. When you get ready I can give you or anyone a rough Idea on MOA adjustments with the Federal 168gr 308M HPBT Ammunition which we shot for years on the team and have shot out to 1000 yards. Of course once again it depends upon the specific rifle used, barrel length and all. Even identical rifles will perform differently! You have to work on it for YOUR Rifle. At the longer ranges there are other factors to consider. Light, temperature, humidity and certainly as mentioned Wind! Good Luck on your Christmas List sounds great to me! Merry Christmas from us here in Tennessee to all our friends on the FTF! :D BUY GOOD GLASS~ (SCOPE!)

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  16. PatrickHarrison

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    Well mister its very interesting to me and eye catching and yes i know the scopes on the stock not rifle/metal id get one just to see if accuracy was affected and how the rifle performed and fitted to me .
    180 grains alrite i have them but the round for the gun was i beleive 147 grain so the 150 was what i chose to get as close as possible.
     
  17. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    I've got a Henry lever .22, great little rifle, lots of fun.

    I also have a couple Mosins. Kind of like Lays potato

    chips, can't eat just one...

    I'd get the Henry (or another .22LR rifle) first. Fun for the

    whole family.
     
  18. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    The Soviets copied the Germans. When Germany went to a 147gr, the soviets thought, :rolleyes:Hmm must be better! Not really. Yugo heavy ball 180gr will out shoot any 147..152gr light ball. With hunting loads, there is a reason Russian made hunting ammo with a 203gr bullet. It is very accurate and hits like the hammer of Thor. Both Light and heavy ball were used since the 1920's.

    Bullet Designations (immediately following caliber on crates and tins, see pictures below)
    Designation Transliteration Meaning Color Code Production Years (approximate)
    Л L Light ball (lead core) none 1910-1954
    Д D Long range (heavy ball lead core) yellow tip 1930-1953
    ЛПС LPS Light ball steel core silver tip/none 1953-1991
    Б-30 B-30 Armor Piercing with 1930 bullet black tip 1930-1941
    Б-32 B-32 Armor Piercing (Incendiary) with 1932 bullet black over red tip 1932-1969
    Б-32М B-32M Armor Piercing (Incendiary) with modernized 1932 bullet black over red tip 1955-current
    БС-40 BS-40 Armor Piercing (Incendiary) with 1940 bullet black tip over red bullet 1940-1941
    БТ BT Armor Piercing Tracer purple tip 1932-1937
    БТ-90 BT-90 Armor Piercing Tracer green tip 1998-current
    БЗТ BZT Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer purple over red tip 1935-1940
    ЗБ-46 ZB-46 Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer purple over red tip WWII?
    ПЗ PZ Incendiary Different designations
    for essentially the same bullet red tip 1935-current
    ЗП ZP Incendiary red tip 1935-current
    З Z Incendiary red tip 1935-current
    Т-30 T-30 Tracer with 1930 bullet green tip 1930-1938
    Т-46 T-46 Tracer with factory #46 bullet green tip 1938-1974
    T-46M T-46M Tracer with modernized factory #46 bullet green tip 1974-1995
    T-46M1 T-46M1 Tracer with modernized factory #46 bullet green tip 1995-current
    СН ПС SN PS Sniper (early 7N1 mark) none 1967-1999
    ПС PS Sniper (late 7N1 mark) none 1967-1999
    СНБ SNB Sniper/Armor Piercing (7N14 mark) none 1999-current
    УЗ UZ "Heavy Charge" proof load black bullet 1970s-current
    ВД BD "High Pressure" proof load yellow bullet 1970s-current
    УС US Reduced Velocity green bullet 1939-1941
    Ц Ts Match ? 1954-1992
    УЧ UCh Training ? 1950s-current
    ПП PP Penetrating none, green case 1993-current
    БП BP Armor Piercing black tip? 1999-current
    СТ-М2 ST-M2 Light ball steel core none 1988-current
    X Kh Blank not applicable 1926-current
     
  19. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    I have a Henry -
    I've been thinking about a Mosin for sum time so i'd pic it- For $100 how can you lose :confused:
     
  20. PatrickHarrison

    PatrickHarrison New Member

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    Well hell mister i apprashoot the info you went thru some trouble typin this ill copy it ty