Chilean Mauser in 7.62 Nato

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by danf_fl, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Purchased one on GB for $250 (+$35 for shipping).

    Do they normally hold up to .308 (commercial) rounds?
     
  2. jpattersonnh

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    It is a small ring '95 action. It will shoot .308, but you will damage the rifle over time. I'd stick w/ 7.62x51.
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    The original chambering was 7 X 57. Max pressure 51,000 psi

    .308 Win max pressure 62,000 psi

    11,000 psi is one heck of a lot. I would not recommend shooting ANY .308 Win ammo through it. 7.62 X 51 (NATO) is a safer bet.
     
  4. 1982flh80

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    You could always handload and drop your powder charge by 10%. Shoot 150 grain bullets through it. Handloading your own is less expensive than purchasing milspec ammo anyway. Besides it's fun.
     

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  5. davemccarthy707

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    .308 win is no problem. Just read this article. .308 Winchester - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Especially this part.

    Although very similar to the military 7.62x51mm NATO, specifications for the .308 cartridge are not identical and there are special considerations that may apply when mixing one cartridge with differently chambered arms.[5] Their interchange is considered safe by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI)
     
  6. jpattersonnh

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    It is true if shooting 7.62x51 through a .308 chambered rifle, but not the other way.
    GunCentral.net - .223 vs 5.56x45 and .308 vs 7.62x51

    Do what you want w/ your rifle. The '95 action is not up to the task. Sorry, JMHO. Sammi and Nato spec are quite different.
     
  7. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Thanks Gentlemen!
     
  8. davemccarthy707

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    The action will be fine. This has been travelling the internet for a while. I have never seen or even heard of an example of this action failing when shooting .308 Win. If SAAMI says they are interchangeable that is good enough for me. They would take any litigation into account before stating this. Google Stiga rifles. They were even chambered in 30-06. The only issue you may have to worry about is the stock. Lastly, if a Lee-Enfield action can be safely rechambered to .308 then the 95 action is golden.
     
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  9. robocop10mm

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    Please post your full name, date of birth, home address, bank account information and attorney's contact information when posting information that can lead to serious injury of death to a reader, so they and their family will know who to sue when disaster strikes.

    Can you shoot .308 commercial ammo through this rifle? Yes. Is it a good idea? Absolutely not! If you are fond of your face. Use caution and stick to the NATO ammo.
     
  10. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Thanks for the info Robo, but I was mistaken on the Mauser.
    It is a Spanish Mauser from Oviedo chambered for 7.62 NATO.

    (And I did get some 7.62 NATO from a co-worker who shot the m14 in military competitions.)
     
  11. PatrickHarrison

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    I shoot .308s in my 1961 ishapore smle 2A in 7.62x51 nato all well is well n i didnt even think twice bout it cause there isnt a difference only brass is thicker in nato cartridges. But urs is older so be careful or grab a .308 n do the flinch look away fire at the target shot? Perhaps haha no just kiddin dont good luck nice rifle mister
     
  12. davemccarthy707

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    Show me the evidence and I will retract my statement. Do you know something SAAMI doesn't?
    http://www.smellysmleshooters.net/ammopressure.htm
     
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  13. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    OK, You win. You can absolutely safely shoot any and all .308 ammo out of any rifle with a 7.62 X 51 chamber! I now see it is true because some guy wrote a short article that is posted on the internet.

    My God man! You do realize there are many variables to consider and telling someone to do something like this is, at best, irresponsible? I guess the liability laws in Newfoundland are more closely akin to European liability laws. Giving such information in the USA is ridiculously stupid. This site is based in the USA so the laws of the USA are the only ones that really matter. The owner of the site trusts me to help defray some of his liability from such ridiculous statements.

    The rifle in question is nearly 100 years old and was never intended for .308 pressures. The barrel/chamber does not matter as much as the receiver/bolt. You can recut the chamber to .30-06 and single load the ammo, but the receiver was not designed to handle the stresses the .30-06 will apply. Just because you can, does not mean it is safe.

    Please do not post such information in the future. It is irresponsible.
     
  14. c3shooter

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    Dave, if you have a link showing where SAAMI has approved firing .308 Wimchester in a rifle chambered for 7.62 NATO, could you please share that with me?

    Interchange indicates that it would go either way, and it does not (in my experience) Milspec in a .308, yes. .308 in a Milspec, no.

    Please see attached- 7.62x51mm NATO or 308 Winchester? What's the Difference?
     
  15. davemccarthy707

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    This thread has all the links and discussion.Can you shoot .308 in a 7.62 x 51 and vice versa? - WeTheArmed.com As a matter of fact all of the old mod 95 Chileans are sold at many different retailers here in Canada as .308. The main problem is people get hung up on CUP and PSI. They are not Interchangeable as measuring standards. The SAAMI interchange list is here. http://www.saami.org/specifications...1-Unsafe_Arms_and_Ammunition_Combinations.pdf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×51mm_NATO
    http://www.shop.tradeexcanada.com/content/chilean-1895-mauser
    You can shoot what you like. I will shoot commercial 308 Win in a 7.62 marked bolt rifle any day.

    Dave
     
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  16. c3shooter

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    Dave- the wiki article stated that it was safe to shoot 7.62x51 in a .308 Winchester chamber. It did not say safe to shoot .308 Winchester in a NATO chamber. Re: the ad- I have seen a ton of Ishapores up for sale, advertised as .308, and they are not.

    If you run across the SAAMI reference that shows a 360 interchange is safe, I would really like to have it. The article I posted the link to (also by a Canadian gent) discusses the differences in the CHAMBERS of the two different calibers.

    Thanks
    C3
     
  17. davemccarthy707

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    Maybe you should read this thread. Surplusrifle Forum • View topic - 7.62 NATO Pressure vs. commercial 308 Winchester

    He (Ganderite) worked for CIL which was the largest ammunition manufacturer in Canada. It feels like I am banging my head off the wall here. I am aware of the headspace/dimension differences. It is insignificant in a bolt rifle. I am done with this thread.

    in·ter·change (ntr-chnj)
    v. in·ter·changed, in·ter·chang·ing, in·ter·chang·es
    v.tr.
    1. To switch each of (two things) into the place of the other.
    2. To give and receive mutually; exchange.
    3. To cause to succeed each other in a series or pattern; alternate:
     
  18. 303tom

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    I think Dave said all I wanted to say, so all I am going to say is I use either & or in all my 7.62 & .308 rifles, same with my 5.56 & .223 rifles......
     
  19. jpattersonnh

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    Dave, If you notice, Ed Hoffer disagreed w/ him. Ed's a pretty smart guy. What is the issue w/ caution w/ these old rifles? You do what you want w/ your rifles, but for someone not familiar don't you think caution is best?


    Here is an article you may find interesting. CUP Versus PSI