Cheap paper punching at 200 yards

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by historydoc, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. historydoc

    historydoc New Member

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    Here is my current gun inventory:
    .22 marlin 795
    .22 marlin 60 dlx
    .22 marlin 39a
    .22 cz 452 ultra lux
    .17 hmr savage 93r17

    12 ga Ithaca 37
    .410 Winchester

    .22 ruger mark iii
    .22 ruger single six
    .380 cz 83
    9mm cz 75
    .357 ruger Blackhawk

    As you can see, I can't do much good (flat) 200 yard shooting with what I've got. I don't mind cheap guns. My ideal gun would probably something in the marlin x series in .223 but they don't make it in .223. I don't really want to pay more than that price range for a plastic gun.
    I'd probably be happier if I just jumped up to the next price point.
    Buds has the cz 527s in the $620-650 range (synthetic $525). Is their anything else in the new market I should consider? I am really thinking about getting the carbine or the varmint-- two very different guns.
    Other considerations: I live in California and don't hunt very often.
    Thoughts?
     

  2. blucoondawg

    blucoondawg New Member

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    I have always liked the Remington 700, the Savage is a accurate gun too.
     
  3. The_Kid

    The_Kid New Member

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    You've never tried your 22 rifles or 17 at 200 yards? Every 22 rifle I've shot at 200 yards did well, 3moa at the most. I would think one of yours would be close to MOA accurate. I've only shot a 17 at 150, but would think it would do 200 as well if not better than a 22.

    Your 357 should do 200 yards as well.
     
  4. historydoc

    historydoc New Member

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    I guess I would just want something that shoots relatively flat at 200 yards.
     
  5. dks7895

    dks7895 New Member

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    The Marlin X7 is a fabulous rifle. They are offering it in 223 this year. Start searching.
     
  6. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Savage and Mossberg have rifles in 223. The Mossberg MVP uses AR mags and is chambered for 5.56x45 Nato so it takes both the 223 and Nato.
     
  7. tCan

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    17 hmr should be plenty capable of 200 yard shooting.
     
  8. historydoc

    historydoc New Member

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    I can't seem to get much accuracy at 200 yards; could be my fault but I find anything past 150 yards pretty frustrating with the 17hmr.
     
  9. historydoc

    historydoc New Member

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    The drop at 200 yards is 8.5 inches.
     
  10. tCan

    tCan Active Member

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    I've seen people shoot and hit 22LR at 400 and 500 yards. I'm not saying its normal, practical, or easy to do so, but 17HMR should be able to reach out to 300 yards. You gotta remember that even if you do everything perfect, your groups will open up the further out you go. But with a good rifle and ammo, 4" groups at 200 yards should be accomplish-able. I'm not familiar with the .17HMR cartridge, but I don't see why it couldn't be done.
     
  11. historydoc

    historydoc New Member

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    Everything you write is correct, I just don't want to deal with a 9 inch drop. Nothing I have is flat out to 200 yards.
     
  12. tCan

    tCan Active Member

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    Nothing is flat at 200 yards.
     
  13. dks7895

    dks7895 New Member

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    I zero my 308 at 200 yards. I have a Redfield 3-9x40 with accurange reticle on it. It takes out the hold over guess work.
     
  14. blucoondawg

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    I'd say you are going the right route by looking for a little bigger cartridge if you want to start shooting 200 or farther, like has been stated above a 22 or 17 will absolutely go 200 yards but it can't do it as accurately as a bigger gun especially when you throw in other factors such as wind, the 22 and 17 start to drastically slow down at those long ranges which causes problems from the wind with those little bullets. I like to be able to hit what I'm shooting at consistently and that is far easier at long range with a larger gun, I'd say 223 is a good choice, I like 22-250 as well which will give you more speed but shells aren't quite as common as the 223. You will also need the bigger gun if there's any prospect of a hunt in your future, you won't want to be shooting at an animal 200 yards away with the rimfire rifles.
     
  15. historydoc

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    Of course, nothing is capable of being absolutely flat unless is self-propelled. For the purposes of this discussion though, let us assume I'm talking about calibers that are flat relative to other calibers. The .243 and 22-250 would be good choices, and if I hunted more I'd probably just pick up the marlin x7 in 243, 308, 22 250, or 30-06. As it is, I settled on the 223 because I don't hunt often or reload. I haven't seen the marlin x7 in 223 anywhere online. I did see in the catalog that it is coming. I'll ask my lgs if they can get it yet.
    I really do like those cz 527s, I just wish they were a little cheaper. If they were the price of the x7s I'd buy three of them.
     
  16. ransom63

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    I just bought a Weatherby Vanguard last week in .223Rem. Most of that model are with the plastic stock, but there is one in walnut which I bought. I mounted a Leupold VX 1 4-9x40 & took it to the range for the first time this afternoon. After I got it sighted in, I was consistantly shooting out the X ring at 100 yards. I know that's not a long distance for this rifle, & I plan to take it out to 200 yards next week. Anyway, this is one sweet rifle with a $600 price tag on it from my local gun shop. I looked at the CZ's & they came in on a very close 2nd place, but price settled the argument for me.
     
  17. Yunus

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    I was going to suggest a Howa 1500 but it's pretty much the same as the weatherby vanguard. You get a great gun for a really good price.
     
  18. tonydewar

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    .17 hmr @199 works IF the wind dont blow
     
  19. tCan

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    Of those calibers 308 is only 300fps faster than 17HMR. If you really need the speed, .22-250 or .243. You're still going to have ~4" of drop from 100 to 200 yards....