ccw stops mass murderer

Discussion in 'Firearms in the Media' started by JonM, Jul 24, 2014.

  1. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    a doctor ccwing in PA hospital stopped a spree killer. of course this will be used as a reason to keep guns out of the hands of civilians. the murderous thug didnt kill enough to satisfy the blood thirsty bloomberg obama or sarah brady before he was shot by the good doctor.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/24/pennsylvania-hospital-on-lockdown-amid-reports-shooting/

     
  2. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    Good for the Doc but... How do we know he stopped any more than his own murder?

    "Loud shouting" before gunfire indicates that the doc as the target. Have not heard of a single "mass shooter" shouting at anyone or being shouted at, they typically just walk in a start shooting.

    This guy waited to be escorted to an office.

    Sound to me like he was after that specific Doctor
     

  3. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    a good portion of these shooters START with a specific target then branch out until stopped or out of ammo. hence the dead social worker. if he was not a mass murderer he would have only kept shooting at the doctor and no one else.

    so its a spree killer stopped before the spree
     
  4. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    Don't think we have enough info to make that leap.

    Spree killers typically load heavy with several guns and hundreds of rounds.

    The only weapon info in the article was "two guns recovered" and we know both men were armed.

    For all we know this perp may have had 1 handgun and no reloads... And the other victim escorted the perp to the office where it all went down.

    Perhaps she lunged for the gun and got shot for it?

    Point is "we don't know yet"
     
  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    laughner had one gun.

    nadal hassan (sp?) ft hood had one gun

    Aaron Alexis one gun

    number of firearms is irrelevant to a spree killer. thankfully the doctor stopped him before we could find out how many more this wackjob was going to murder. somehow i doubt the news media will be at all interested in providing any press time to this story as its a backpager even on fox... it doesnt toe the party line of guns in the hands of law abiding people stops murderers
     
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  6. eatmydust

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    My understanding, from listening to radio news out of Philly, is that this was another psychiatric patient that was looking to extract their personal form of justice.
     
  7. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Uh... He's a psychiatrist. I doubt he's that great at removing bullets. He may have had a surgical background before, but most psychiatrists I know are better with a pen and paper, and a prescription pad.
     
  8. Tackleberry1

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    Agreed on both points.

    Thank god not everyone in the med field has their heads lodged in their rear ends.
     
  9. 1911love

    1911love New Member

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    Saw this reported on the local news. I didn't think they would mention that a LAC shot the bad guy, they did at the very end of the story. That was promptly followed by telling the viewers that the hospital has a no firearms policy.

    WTF! The bad guy violated the policy and killed a woman. The doctor violated the policy and saved lives. The doctor should be hailed as a hero, not crapped on for violating the no weapons policy.
     
  10. bradam

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    Pre-spree killer stopped. I like it.
     
  11. FAS1

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    The Dr. has the right to defend himself and I am glad he was armed. Too bad the two people that peeked in when they heard arguing weren't armed when they saw the patient with a gun pointed at the Dr. If they were, probably the case worker would still be alive.
     
  12. alsaqr

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    Good on the doctor. Sadly, he will get fired for having a gun in a gun free zone.

    The late scumbag had caused trouble before.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ania-hospital-article-1.1879032#ixzz38UNy0kFg

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/doctor-2-shot-pennsylvania-hospital-article-1.1879032
     
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  13. CaptMidnight

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    It is being reported that the Dr. violated his CCW. He was carrying illegally now they are discussing his future. They will most likely nail the Dr. to a cross. Never make a Socialist state look bad.
     
  14. seancslaughter

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    I would still bet the Dr is happy with the outcome cause he subscribed to the same thing that many here tout in many different threads that "it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6!" and ya know what he will most likely walk.
     
  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    we can hope he walks. if the jury pool is polluted to the point it's made up primarily of anti-gun liberals, his chances of walking are decreased. there are going to be those who sympathize with the person he shot, and have the opinion he shouldn't have shot him as that was not his responsibility, and should have been left to LE to handle. these are the same people who vote for liberal politicians who place areas as GFZ's FOOG to protect us from these nutcases. they tend to forget that these nutcases are not abiding by the laws to begin with, so how does a GFZ protect us? simple, they don't. it gives those liberals a false sense of security and still allows events like this to occur. in which they will try and prosecute someone for using good judgement and stopping a violent offender.
     
  16. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Checked www.handgunlaw.us

    No guns allowed signs do not have the force of law and the only mention of hospitals are mental hospitals in the context of providing weapons to inmates to facilitate escape.

    The doctor may have violated hospital policy, but it does not appear he broke any law.
     
  17. Overkill0084

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    This was also my takeaway from the somewhat chaotic reporting.
    It's going to be interesting to see how this turns out going forward. The Hospital has a huge PR problem. This guy has been called a hero on national news, disciplining him for violating their no firearms policy will make them look like morons. Of course, when has that ever stopped the liberal apparatchiks.

    Fingers crossed, maybe this incident will cause some places, those without a political axe to grind at least, to re-evaluate their no firearms policies.
     
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  18. AIKIJUTSU

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    It depends on the morality of the prosecutor as to whether or not he is prosecuted. Boy, that's scary - the morality of a prosecutor.
    But obviously the doctor was not only morally right to stop the perp, but he really did have a right to defend his own life. Really...
     
  19. buckhuntr

    buckhuntr Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    NPR reported on the story this evening on the All Things Considered program, and I was pleasantly surprised that they even included the cop's quote that he believed the Doc saved lives. The story mentioned that the patient had extra ammunition, and the hospital said they had no specific policy about doctors carrying CCW.
     
  20. SSGN_Doc

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    What prosecutor? He didn't violate a law. So no prosecutor would be assigned. If he violated a company policy, it would be up to the morality of the board of directors.