CCW Permit for the blind?

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by JW357, Sep 9, 2013.

  1. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    My wife is a member of a facebook page for local military spouses. For some reason, this topic came up in conversation.

    Apparently in Iowa, there are a number of blind (I don't know if they're legally blind or full-out blind) who have been issued CCW permits, on the grounds of not being discriminatory.

    What are your thoughts on this? A lot of people think they shouldn't have a permit because they can't see where they're aiming. I can see this, however here's my opinion:

    A lot of thugs and criminals prey on the supposed weak. It is fairly obvious when someone is blind. If they're really bad off, they will have a white cane or a guide dog. I feel like blind people, possibly more so than those who have full vision, should be allowed to have CCW permits.

    If a thug or criminal is attacking a blind person, it will probably be at fist-range. Therefore, the victim wouldn't have to see where he is aiming. Pulls the gun, and shoot in the direction the noise or blows or knife stabs are coming from.

    And I believe a blind person can easily train to where everything involved with firearm self-defense (unholstering, firing, reloading, reholstering) is muscle memory. I mean, when I got my CCW permit in NC, I only had to shoot at 3, 5, and 7 yards. I felt like I could have reached out and touched the target. It would have been easy enough to just close my eyes, extend my arms fully (with the firearm) to where I know the gun is right in front of my face, and shoot enough to get body hits and hopefully end the threat. Obviously without vision, a person won't be able to produce tight groups, but I believe in a self-defense situation they can achieve combat accuracy as long as they spend time working on it.

    What are your guys thoughts?
     
  2. Texanbybirth

    Texanbybirth New Member

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    If their attacker is in fist range, why does a blind defender need to be able to reach out hundreds of feet with a gun? Wouldn't a knife or even a small sword do just as much damage to an attacker and not put the public at risk? I could see giving them immunity to local knife knife laws to allow them to carry a dagger, switchblade, or even a small sword.
     

  3. orangello

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    edit* I thought somebody beat you to this one, but I can't find it.

    "all men being created equal..."

    I really think a taser would be their best bet: limited range limits mistaken zappees and the stun function would work well up close (maybe a cane connection?).
     
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  4. MisterMcCool

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    The government should not decide who among us is healthy enough to exercise a constitutional right.
    If an attacker knocked a victim to the ground, jumped on his body, and began pounding his skull into the ground, the victim would not need to see the attacker in order to defend himself.
    Would you not defend yourself if you were pepper sprayed, had blood in your eyes, or could not see through your own tears?
     
  5. therewolf

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    CCW permits for the blind?

    Between Glocks, Ford Patrol units, and

    Dunkin' Donuts, don't you feel LE has

    enough problems as it is, without

    burdening them with CCW permits? :confused:
     
  6. c3shooter

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    Try giving the little old blind lady a sword, and let me know how that works out.

    A blind person can still use a two handed shooting stance-
    One hand holds pistol
    Other hand holds onto the person beating the crap out of them.
     
  7. JW357

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    See, here's the thing, statistically most defense situations happen within maybe 5 yards away. That's ridiculously close. Every single person who carries a gun is responsible for those stray shots. Should firearms not be allowed for all of us since we could probably be fine with a knife? And as MisterMcCool said, won't you defend yourself if the BG sprays pepper spray in your eyes, or does something else that limits your vision? At least a blind person would be used to shooting without vision. They would (ideally) have the muscle memory down. If your vision is hindered in the middle of the fight, you're probably still going to shoot your firearm. The difference is you haven't necessarily done it before.

    Ok but does that mean their second amendment right is denied to them?

    I, myself, am :confused: by your response.
     
  8. MisterMcCool

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    It was a reference to police turning a blind eye.
     
  9. JW357

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    Lol. That's pretty funny. I get it now. Sorry, I'm a little slow on the up-take.
     
  10. nitestalker

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    The sheriff who brought this up has a totally blind daughter. She will file for her Iowa CCW next week. The sheriff has offered to provide a training service for the handicapped wanting a CCW. He stated he is more concerned about armed criminals more than disabled citizens.
    I might add most assaults occur at night. The blind person will have an advantage over a sighted felon in the dark.;)
     
  11. c3shooter

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    All I'm saying.....
     
  12. MisterMcCool

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  13. orangello

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    Not at all, just saying I think they should consider a taser and taser training as an alternative solution, particularly if they end up barred from the carry permit legislatively.
     
  14. manta

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    It would be like giving a blind person a driving licence.
     
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  16. seancslaughter

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    It is a Right, but that Right can be denied on psychological, medical and criminal issues according to current legislation in many areas. Now do I agree with the blind not being able to own firearms? No I don't a blind person has the same rights as every American but is it responsible of them to carry concealed is another question I say depends on how blind if its legally blind where they still retain some vision albeit limited then yes however totally blind no way you should carry concealed its not responsible because how can you ensure a proper backstop let alone hit the attacker. In training I have had to be oc sprayed and still hit a target at 15 meters so all those saying oc is the same as totally blind it's not
     
  17. orangello

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    Except that driving is a "privilege" while an armed self-defense is a right...and speeding bullets don't get traffic citations.
     
  18. AIKIJUTSU

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    A Charter Arms Bulldog or other short-barreled revolver loaded with shot shells would work well for a close encounter, and the shot would scatter and lose velocity quickly. The shot shells could even be loaded with a light charge to help limit their effective range.
     
  19. manta

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    How could they identify the target it could be a child or another innocent person. How could they shoot accurately at the intended target. How would they know if there were innocent bystanders . They have a right. People also have a right not to be shot by someone that caint see what they are shooting at.
     
  20. orangello

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    So, you agree they have a right to an armed self-defense, good. The rest are just concerns about how someone exercises their right, and are really only for the courts to decide in the event the blind person misses.


    It is easy to underestimate blind people, because we aren't blind. I will never understand how one of my college buddy's friends could play tetris, since dude was blind.