CC at Church laws, KY & TX

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by feedsasquatch, Aug 26, 2009.

  1. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    I'll preface this by stating that my current state of residence is KY, but I frequently visit relatives in Texas.

    Alright, if I'm reading the TX CHL manual correctly, it forbids the carrying of a concealed weapon in a church, synagogue and other places of worship (PC 46.035). Since this is a state regulation, what happens if it is broken? Is this a "minor" violation, like a speeding ticket, or is this something serious that's going to get my butt thrown in jail and licence suspended if I violate it? The section in question also forbids carrying a concealed handgun in schools, bars, amusements parks, etc...

    Now, I tried to search through my state's, KY, manual, and I could not find anything that forbid carrying a concealed weapon in a place of worship. Maybe I just missed it. Can someone from KY help me out here? Oh, and another question, I believe that my university, of which I am now an alumni, forbids carrying guns on it campus. What kind of violation would it be if I carried concealed on my school's campus?

    I'm not trying to be a rule-breaker or anything, I just need to know what the penalties are for breaking the rules. If I know that a violation of some said law could involve jail-time, well, I just won't even bother carrying my gun on a Sunday, and be screwed if something bad happens to me I guess...
     
  2. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Don't know the penalties in Texas, but here in Oklahoma I have never yet had God ask me if I was carrying in his house. Concealed carry means exactly that. If you are carrying correctly, and you keep quiet, no one would ever know, except God. You can always leave your firearm in the car, locked and secure, if you have doubts. :)

    Jack
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    That is a Class A Misdemeanor in TX. Carries a max penalty of 1 yr in jail and a $2,000 fine.
     
  4. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    Robo, I'm curious now. Where in TX can you NOT carry concealled?
     
  5. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Damn Robo, Texas has some strict CC laws regarding church carry. Here in Oklahoma there is not really a statute on it, unless it is in a school, then no firearms. Most all the churches here do not say anything about it. If they do not want you to carry in the church, they will post it, but have to say, never saw one that did, at least the Christian ones, that is.

    Jack
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Link to Texas law summary: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/texas.pdf

    Kentucky does not address churches (that I can find)

    I live in VA. I carry in church. So do 4 other members of the congregation THAT I KNOW OF. So does our minister.

    We had a talk with him after some of the church shootings. He is former Marine, believes one of his duties is looking after his flock- and other than the choir (who are pretty talented, but rather useless in a fight) HE is the only one facing in that direction during most of the service.
     
  7. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Me? Maybe the Federal Couthouse, but that is not really Texas. It is more like a foreign embassy on Texas soil.

    CHL holders?
    Schools
    Bars, etc that get 51% of their income from Alcohol sales.
    Jails and prisons
    Hospitals
    Amusement parks
    Churches
    Governmental meetings
    Anywhere while intoxicated
     
  8. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    That's very much like NC except churches.
     
  9. layton

    layton New Member

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    I believe the last Texas Legislator passed a law to come into effect that the place of buisiness that serves liquer is not restricted any longer, will have to look it up exactly, but there were changes for the better for CHL holders.

    But like it was said, unless you show and tell, who is to know, better to be judged by twelve, that carried by six. Your Choice.

    Layton
     
  10. Lowrider

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    No churches in MO either. But if you are in a place that does not allow, the owners have to ask you to leave. You can leave, put your gun in the car, and come right back. If you refuse to leave and you are still there when the police arrive, it is an infraction. Something less than a misdemeanor. You have to have three of these before it can impact your CCW.

    Bottom line: concealed. If they see it, you aren't doing a very good job.
     
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  11. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    Dang, so let's say, hypothetically, that I'm in a church service in TX, and a gunman bursts in. I have my concealed carry licence and I take him down. I can get a Class A Misdemeanor with a $2,000 fine and up to 1 year in jail for taking the thug down? Wow. Hmmm, would a CHL be suspended or taken away for a misdemeanor class A?

    Anyone know what the exact laws are concerning carrying in church are in KY? And the penalties for breaking those laws in KY?
     
  12. IGETEVEN

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    Hmmm.......MHO here, I would think the church and the law would overlook it, praise the Lord, shout out a few how-a-lou-ya brothers and make you an honorary Decon in their church. :D

    Jack
     
  13. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    Oh, I know the church would (a number of people in the church carry), I'm mainly wondering about the law...
     
  14. Dan The Man

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    The new Tx law states that you cannot be held responsible if you carry in aplace that derives 51% of it's profits from the sale of alcohol but fails to post it in a manner consistant with 30-06. Which is the statute that spells out the requirements of the warning that you Cannot carry in said establishment. It has to be the verbatim to the law. They can post any sign they like but the only one that mUst be observed is 30-06( I.e. A simple "no handgun" sign is not good enough).
     
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  15. Texanbybirth

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    You can carry in church in TX, unless the 30.06 statute is posted outside.

    You are prohibited from carrying in 46.035 subsection b-6, but in subsection i it says that the law for subsections b-4,5,and 6 do not apply unless the actor was given effective notice under Section 30.06.
     
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  17. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    You are correct. That is one of the large problems with Texas firearms laws, you have to read to the very last word of the statute because they put in those "does not apply unless" wording.
     
  18. feedsasquatch

    feedsasquatch New Member

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    Wow, that's good to know! Thanks!
     
  19. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    Oregon response

    Wow, that very much concerns me about certain states.

    In Oregon, a concealed permit holder is allowed to carry anywhere. Except:

    -Courthouses and federal buildings
    -Any private building whose owner posts a visible sign (which could include a church if the church POSTS a sign to that effect)

    Otherwise, any sign on public property that says no firearms only applies to people who are open carrying legally. For permit holders, those signs do NOT apply. We can carry ANYWHERE except for a very few limits.

    At my church a couple of the board members specifically got carry permits so we WILL carry in church.
     
  20. Largestal

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    I live in KY and carry in church, as so many of my brothers ans sisters. Another church in town has a pastor who vocally supports CCW and carries himself.
    I have not seen the issue specifically addressed so my thoughts are, if it ain't mentioned in the legaleze and no signage is posted, feel free to use your right to carry.
    I have a close friend who was in the church in Knoxville when that idiot came in and killed paritioners. The attending usher that was the hero by placing himself in harm's way was standing in front of my friend's daughters. He didn't make it but saved their lives.
    As far as they could find out, no one in the church was armed. Not me, I will protect my family.