case sticking in chamber....

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by m72law, Feb 12, 2010.

  1. m72law

    m72law New Member

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    i got my hands on a SFA m1 garand...the rifle is in good condition as for the barrel,chamber its very dirty!...i clean the bajesus out of it using bore scrubber with the typical mops,patches(paper towels),bore brush...when i load a live round into the bore,the case gets stuck and i have to pull on the op rod with alot of force to get the round to extract.(using a dead-blow hammer)...i know i should have the headspace checked before i fire this thing...but i took a chance and locked her in a gun vise w/a string tied to the trigger and the rifle fired...no bulges in case or any signs of excessive or weird markings on cases...it is leaving some scratch marks on the case right at the shoulder(when fired,the extracter is damaging the rim on case)..im wondering if some dirt or other debris got into this chamber and deformed it a lil making the cases stick?...if so...what would be a good way to remove any burs in the chamber?
     

  2. Dcomf

    Dcomf New Member

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    What ammo are you using? Handloads by chance? If so, are they full length resized? The chambers in M1's aren't match chambers and will tolerate some crud in there and still chamber a round. They are combat rifles after all. Eliminate any other possibilities before you try to remove any supposed "burrs".
     
  3. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    carbeurator cleaner works wonders in filthy chambers, along with the appropriate chamber brush.
     
  4. m72law

    m72law New Member

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    i've cleaned this chamber..using the gi chamber brush...even ran a gun cleaning rod down barrel..then attached a .45cal brush hooked to a drill and backed up a few hundered times..and the cases still want to stick in the chamber...i've tried HXP 78 greek ammo i think?(being the worst)...also some federal,and some remington(handloads)that dont stick as bad as the milsurplus stuff?...ive used birchwood casey bore scruber and also blue wonder gun cleaner along with other cleaners...im going to let this blue wonder gel sit in the chamber for a while...then do my drill/.45cal brush thing...and see what happens:confused:
     
  5. 30-06_mike

    30-06_mike New Member

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    Chamber

    Is it possible that the rifle is still short chambered?
    Need to check the headspace.
     
  6. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    Is it a USGI surplus M1, or a commercial Springfield Armory? What are the bbl markings?

    Pics?
     
  7. m72law

    m72law New Member

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    its chambered for 3006...it is a USGI surplus rifle.batterys in camera are dead,no pics until i can get back to wallyworld tonight.as for the barrel numbers they are 0729 69 8 MP.....i got it to chamber now...took alot of brushing out....it will need a rebarrel soon...its damn close to being shotout...anyone know about what a barrel swap will cost,not including the barrel...just to put barrel on,and headspace...?...god i hope i want need a new bolt:(....thanks eveyone for your suggestions on this subject.;)
     
  8. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Good luck and please keep us informed.
     
  9. M14sRock

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    Use some Kroil in the chamber and the bbl. Let it soak for a couple hours, scrub it and repeat. It may need to soak overnight, but the Kroil will get whatever might be stuck on the chamber walls to come off.

    Your bbl was made in 69 and has been Magnafluxed and Proof tested based on the markings as you have described them. Post some pics when you get the batts, they will help.
     
  10. m72law

    m72law New Member

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    where could i get some of that kroil from?i've used everything i had 'pretty much' and got the rifle to chamber and extract no probs...being that the barrel is about shot out...its prob just going to sit in the safe untill funds let me rebarrel her...my old camera only has 3.1 mega pixels so the pics suck...
     

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  11. M14sRock

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    Brownells and Midway sell Kroil. It should be a part of every gun owners tool kit.

    Have you guaged your bbl for throat erosion and muzzle wear?

    Before replacing it, have it checked out by an M1 armorer who knows what they are doing. If your Garand was re-barreled in 69 (or later) it did not see much military use.
     
  12. m72law

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    i dont have throat or muzzle gauges to check it...i see what your saying about the date on the barrel....the thing that has me guessing the barrel is shot out is when i take a round and stick it in the end of the barrel the bullet goes all the way into the muzzle,the case is touching the end of the barrel...could it be just a screwed up crown?...the crown does look a lil out of wack....after cleaning it...the inside the barrel looks like a sewer pipe:( riflings are visible but not very strong...there is one more weird thing about this rifle i dont understand...on the rear aperture sight has two kanji markings,along with a 50...does this mean the rifle was in the hands of the japs or chinese at one time?thanks again M14s
     
  13. Highpower

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    So what is a "SFA" anyway?

    Sounds like you got hold of a parade / honor guard rifle. :confused:
    Worn out muzzle, sewer bore, cruddy chamber...... indications of a rifle that have fired a lot of blank cartridges and rarely if ever cleaned afterward. :(
     
  14. M14sRock

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    If a loaded round goes all the way in to the case mouth you are probably shot out. The markings you mention are Korean. You may have a Garand that has had some parts swapped out.

    The So Koreans were given tons of Garands and carbines. Many thousands were re-imported back to CONUS in the 80's and 90's before Pres Clinton slammed the door shut. But lots of Korean marked parts are floating around.

    Parts are also still made in Korea for the Garand and M14. Quality is very good but the reject rate is high.
     
  15. Esteban

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    In case there is still some crudd in the chamber,, take a small cut piece ot towel/rag, just big enough to very tightly pack in chamber. DO NOT get cleaner on wood stock, etc. !! Spray or pour carb cleaner/fuel injector cleaner/engine degreaser soaking the rag & let the barrel sit on its muzzle for a day or so, in a place where leaking liquids won't hurt anything.[ in a tin can works fine. Resoak rag every once in awhile. Any deposits left should now be loose & easily removed.
    If you still have problems, it is mechanical & needs to be examined by a " smith."
     
  16. m72law

    m72law New Member

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    ''SFA'' i dont know myself..lol...i ment ''SA''..springfield armory

    im not sure how this rifle was used..but it looks like it was used alot!i guess i threw 500bucks away on this POS...ya live ya learn i guess?

    i got it to chamber pretty steady now..i can get it to hold under a 3inch groups @ 50yrds off a beanbag rest using greek surplus ammo...not sure if its me or just this rifle for the crappy groups,but im no ''rifle man'' by far...

    yes,M14s...it looks that way...i do have about 5k of gas checked .309 lead bullets (155gr,165gr,170gr,180gr,190gr,220gr) i molded a while back...i stuck one of them in the barrel and it grabs onto the muzzle pretty good...wonder if i could load up some of these or some of the .310's,or .311's i have made up also and get a lil better results out of them in this rifle?...or would that be pushing the pressure levels to far?

    i might give that a try also esteban...just to make sure its very clean...thanks everyone;)
     
  17. M14sRock

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    I'd have an experienced M1 Armorer look it over, just to be safe.

    Lead bullets have been known to clog up the gas ports on Garands and such. You can use them, but keep it clean. Real clean.

    If you are getting 3" groups at 50 you are in line with Gov't spec, believe it or not. IF (BIG IF) I remember right the WW2 spec was 6" groups at 100 to pass inspection. And the Greek ammo is pretty good stuff, but your handloads will be better. Do some reading on loading "Garand Spec" ammo, though. It (M2) is NOT the same as commercial .30-06.

    For $500 you can strip off the receiver, trigger group and oprod and recoup your money. So don't sweat it. And there are some excellent aftermarket bbls avail. Also, put in some new springs. It will need that if they are the orig.
     
  18. Dcomf

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    I don't think your barrel is a military one, at least not a US military one. Possible Korean replacement. There doesn't appear to be a drawing number on it nor a month of manufacture. The letters and numbers appear too big for military stamping.

    Remember to use a correct muzzle gauge also.

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