Carry permit timeframe ques.

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Centurian22, Oct 11, 2012.

  1. Centurian22

    Centurian22 New Member

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    So I have a question. In Maine the law states:

    Permit Issued Timeline:
    A permit shall be issued within 30 days for a resident of 5 or more years, otherwise it shall be issued within 60 days.

    Source: http://www.usacarry.com/maine_concea...formation.html

    I am a resident applying for the first time so I fall under the 30days. However, my local PD where I applied said they are getting backed up on applications and it may take 5-6 weeks before I hear back. As I have waited this long (speaking of years in my life) and I would be away at work for four of those weeks I did not press the issue but was nonetheless curious. Could I have used the very law book they provided me to push this issue? Does anyone think it would do any good? Or would it more likely have just put me on their "this guy is a PITA so 'accidentally lose his application'" list?

    Any info would be greatly appreciated!
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Operative would is SHALL- meaning will be. Not "when we get to it", not "we are backed up". SHALL. Fail to comply with State law? Call the Attorney General's Office, and call the State Police.

    You have to comply with the law- so do they.
     

  3. TDS92A

    TDS92A New Member Supporter

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    I do not know how to post a double quote, so I will say this; I agree with c3shooter. Hold their feet to the fire.

    On the flip side however is this, there are so many of your fellow citizens applying for the same thing that it is causing a backlog is a good thing! :D



     
  4. treehugger49

    treehugger49 New Member

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    Yep, that's my take on it, too.

    Click on the quote icon (") in the lower-right section of the message you first want to quote, and then the "Quote" icon of the next post.
     
  5. TDS92A

    TDS92A New Member Supporter

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    @treehugger,

    Thanks for the education!! :D


     
  6. treehugger49

    treehugger49 New Member

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    It's rare for a person like myself, who my wife says is "stuck in the eighties", to be able to pass on a nugget of wisdom concerning anything technological.

    I'm happy to help. It probably won't happen again....
     
  7. TDS92A

    TDS92A New Member Supporter

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    You would be surprised how much an education you can give someone and not evern realize it. :D


     
  8. Old_Crow

    Old_Crow New Member

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    I would just go with the flow. The deputy might have just said 5 to 6 weeks we are busy to keep the phone from ringing. The courts are even busier than the sheriffs dept. You might get your case heard in 90 days or more. Once the sheriffs dept. gets wind of your court case they might decide you are mentally ill and deny your permit altogether. Then you need a lawyer and a trip to superior court. A $90 permit that you would have got with no trouble is now going to cost thousands and could be delayed for years.
     
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2012
  9. phildenton

    phildenton New Member

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    I dont believe its up to them to decide that, its thier job to look at a file and then rubber stamp it, otherwise they are on the hook for even more. The law is shall, not may. They only are allowed the allotted time, for which is probably less than an hour of actual fact checking, the necessary files are all on computer now, and a simple 5 minute call to the agency that houses said file (state police, fbi, dshs, etc) for the files they cant look up themselves.
    wa has 7 specific files, agencies they check, and the same 30 day shall issue, and the same boom in cpl applications, and yet its usually just 2-3 weeks to receive the permit or denial letter via mail.
     
  10. Old_Crow

    Old_Crow New Member

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    When I got my permit I didn't ask how long it would be. The time frame was on a sheet attached to the application (30 days). I got it in two weeks. The deputy was just answering the OP's question. That doesn't mean it will take that long.
     
  11. Centurian22

    Centurian22 New Member

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    I don't doubt the significant chance of a delay. I'm away working and won't be home until 3-4 days after the 30 day mark, at which point I will at least be calling to check on the progress. If there is no reasonable response I my at that point "inquire" about the 'shall issue within 30 days' clause. I'll report back in two weeks with what happens.
     
  12. 70cuda383

    70cuda383 New Member

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    it's not just your local office that's back logged. it's nation wide!

    it COULD take no more than an hour for the background check, if you have lived in the same county for your entire life. but if you've lived in multiple counties, states, your local department has to contact each of those counties and run a check on you in those counties. You would think there was a national crime database where all local crimes are reported so that anyone in the country can call one shop and get all the information, but that is apparently not the case.

    My sister works at the sheriff's department where we grew up, and she does the background checks for carry permits. She said that she had a guy who was in for his renewal, who lied on where all he's lived. I forget how she found out, but she ran him through the county he lived in but forgot to mention it, and found an assault charge, so she had to deny his renewal when the first time he went through the system, the person doing the checking was just being lazy, and ended up issuing the permit.

    When I did my permit, she had her co-worker do all the leg work to avoid any questions that might come up on conflict of interest. Anyway, my background check took her 6 days. Being in the military, I've lived all over the country, and they had to check every county I've lived in since high school. Most of the counties had apparently returned the background check within a day, but Bossier Parish in Louisiana took 5 days to return the background check. If it was not for them, I could have had my permit in 48 hours after filing.

    The good news for the OP is that his state law says "SHALL" which means he WILL get a permit, unless he's got criminal history that justifies a denial. so long as his record is clear, his local department HAS to issue a license. Some states laws are written as "MAY" meaning that even if you've never even had a speeding ticket, and are the model of the perfect citizen, the sheriff can still say "na, I don't like you so I'm not issuing you a permit"
     
  13. Old_Crow

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    I don't know if Maine requires a Mental Health release. In NC you have to sign a release allowing the Sheriffs Department to check your medical records. Our local Sheriffs department just checks to see if you have been committed involuntarily and calls your family Dr to see if you are being treated for something serious.

    In Maine I don't know how much effort is put into checking your mental health.
     
  14. Centurian22

    Centurian22 New Member

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    To address the last couple posts: just because it is a "shall" state does not mean they follow / obey that law. The reason is in the mental health check (as I have learned from this same thread on a different forum). So yes my background is clean aside from a couple speeding tickets from more than 5 years ago, yes the state requires the releases from the two state mental hospitals, and that's where the delay occurs.

    The law states that the permit "Shall" be issued or denied within 30 days, however; it also states that the issuing authority (my local police dept in this case) "must" obtain the mental health records before issuing a permit. There is no online database for this so the request and replies must be made by mail and the mental hospitals are not held or bound to reply within any specific time frame.

    I have received replies from both ends of the spectrum that going in and citing the "shall issue within 30 days" clause will make them know you mean business and get it done; and that because of the required mental health check that if they do not have that information and you press them on the 30 day issue then they are forced to deny the application which I certainly do not want.

    We will see how this all plays out.
     
  15. REDTAIL

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    Maine is on Obama's list of one of the states that are supporting him.
     
  16. Centurian22

    Centurian22 New Member

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    Ok completely off topic and I normally don't bother to engage thread high jackers especially political ones. However, one of the few things I dislike about my wonderful home state of Maine is the ridiculous number of people who are abusing and living off of state aid in one form or another. So yes there is alot of support for Obummer due to his handout tendencies. But there is also a whole lot of gun loving republicans in these here woods too.
     
  17. Centurian22

    Centurian22 New Member

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    An update for anyone still following this thread: Right on time, just within 30 days I have received my phone call that my and my wife's applications were approved and our permits are ready to be picked up.

    YAY!!!
     
  18. therhino

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    Centurian, did you haev to submit passport photos with your application, or did you have them taken by the PD? The booklet and application are a little vague on wether we need to include them or not.
     
  19. Centurian22

    Centurian22 New Member

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    They took the pictures at the PD. The lady from the front desk went over everything with me when I picked up the packet. She also checked all pages when I submitted it to make sure I hadn't missed anything.

    Good luck.
     
  20. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    I think in this type of case that "holding their feet to the fire" would only result in some type of aggravation for you. Since when is any government, (big or small) super concerned about following the law? The towns, cities, states have lawyers on staff to figure it out, and taxpayers to pay for all of it. No one is really held personally accountable......I'd have just let it go. But I see in the end it worked out. Good for you, OP.