Carry Gun For My Dad

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by TimL2952, Jun 7, 2011.

  1. TimL2952

    TimL2952 New Member

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    Alright...My dad just found out that his pistol permit is also good for a CCW and he never realized it before.

    NOW...this is what he has currently and he's open to trading them in for a carry weapon. (Not pictures of his actual guns but his are in near perfect condition and were rarely used) BUT I WILL BE TRYING TO GET PICTURES OF THEM SOON!!!!

    Thompson Contender Super 14 in .35 Remington. Bought in the mid 1970s and taken out hunting a whole 2 times....he has a custom leather holster to fit it and a pretty serious scope on it with caps.

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    Smith and Wesson Model 41 .22 Target Pistol with one magazine. My dad bought this a few months before the Super 14 in order to get some trigger time on a pistol...He said he emptied a whole 3 mags.

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    This being said my dad is about 6'2" 230lbs with a big belly and a narrower waist. He likes 1911 style auto loaders and he kinda liked the sig pistols at the local shops.

    He's probably gonna want something with close to a 5" barrel and pretty slim body and we can only have 10 rd mags in NY.....any suggestions???
     
  2. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    You have already answered your own question...a 1911. It has a 5" barrel, slim body, 7 rnd capacity and is a 1911.

    Plenty to choose from so you'll get plenty of recommendations. What kind of money is he looking to spend?
     

  3. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Jpyle covered it. 1911 all the way. Now he just has to find one that he likes. Just steer him clear of anything too low end. He'll want something solid right out of the box.
     
  4. TimL2952

    TimL2952 New Member

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    That's what I guess I was trying to get at. But, being a shotgun family, I'm not sure what most consider low-end...we are all fans of the philosophy "you get what you pay for" we were more than willing to spend $ for new over unders when ours crapped out
     
  5. CA357

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  6. Recon 173

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    Also keep in mind that some 1911s have been smoothed out or streamlined for concealed carry purposes. Guide good ol' dad towards one of these 1911s instead of letting him pick any old thing out there.
     
  7. Tackleberry1

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    As a 1911 fan I'm in agreement with the advice here but you also mentioned that he liked Sig. The P220 is IMHO the best "modern" single stack .45 ACP on the market. It is thicker than a 1911 but will give him a good comparison between a timeless classic and a modern weapon. If possible have him handle and shoot both so he can pick the one that fit's him best. I've notices large men with large hands sometimes find a standard 1911 grip a bit to small for them.

    Good Luck

    TACK
     
  8. TimL2952

    TimL2952 New Member

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    Good advice...Guess I should've covered that...For a bigger guy he has average sized hands with longer fingers....and sad enough to say I'm not sure he is THE safest guy...knowing him and how he feels he will want to carry with a round ready to go....are there any models of the sig or 1911 that would allow him to do this safely? it would probably be a double action right?
     
  9. therewolf

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    The 1911s have a grip safety and a thumb safety.

    The 1911s, with few exceptions,(they are out there) are

    single-action.

    "Cocked and Locked" is a very safe,very ready carry.
     
  10. Jpyle

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    The 1911 is designed to be carried in condition 1...aka "cocked and locked." As it is a single action only design carrying with the hammer down adds time and hand movement to the aiming and firing of the gun. Frankly, if that is a concern then a DA/SA design is a better choice but some do not like the different trigger pull between the first and second shots.
     
  11. TimL2952

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    If a 1911 is a single action and the hammer is down when u draw...how does that work???

    I was under the impression that a SA means the trigger does one thing...dropping the hammer.

    Are you implying to carry in "condition 1", draw the gun, cock the hammer, aim and fire???

    I think I understand....

    and when I said my dad isn't very safe and wants to carry loaded...I didn't mean carrying loaded is UNsafe...I meant my dad is unsafe and would find a way to screw it up because he's out of practice.
     
  12. colmustard

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    The 1911 is single action, When folks say "cocked and locked" they mean a round in the chamber, hammer back and the manual safety on.

    If your worried about your father being safe with a firearem because of lack of trigger time, maybe go to a range that rents guns and get him behind a few to try out and practice with. You should be very profecint with any weapon you carry, if your not you may end up being more of a danger to yourself or others, than you are a help. To carry is a very big responsability and should be taken very serious. With that said go get some practice with him maybe try some guns and see what he likes.
     
  13. TimL2952

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    There aren't many ranges around here that rent guns. And none that I've been to that rent handguns. Might just ask a buddy if he could try shooting his
     
  14. camiller

    camiller New Member

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    I can't help on the recommendations, I'm just curious... How does one accidentally end up with a CCW permit? Looking at the application form you have to actually check the box for CCW. and according to an orange county shooters website you "You will have a meeting with your Judge and he/she will decide if you have shown "PROPER CAUSE"".

    Just curious :)
     
  15. Jpyle

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    No I was making the opposite point...sorry if I was confusing. You are correct, the hammer must be cocked for the gun to fire. What I was trying to illustrate was the negative aspect of not carrying with the hammer fully cocked as I thought your Dad had concerns over it. To be clear, condition 1 is a round in the chamber, hammer fully cocked and safety engaged. :)
     
  16. TimL2952

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    Back in the 70s he applied for his permit and he applied for his pistol permit and his ccw...he just had forgotten. He found his ccw receipt thingy in his dresser...it's ancient
     
  17. camiller

    camiller New Member

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    Don't they expire and have to be renewed periodically?
     
  18. TimL2952

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    Last summer my dad bought a shotgun from Illinois...New laws state that firearms coming from out of state require a background check.

    My dad had something on his record for unknowingly buying a stolen car in the early 70s.

    He got his pistol permit a few years later even when having this record smudge.

    New laws turned that misdemeanor (I assume that's what it is) into a felony.

    Sherrifs came to his house, confiscated his handguns, checked his permit and asked to see all other guns in the home (Felons can't own ANY firearm in NY)

    Got a lawyer, got his shotguns and handguns back (after a permit validation check)

    He's good to go.
     
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2011
  19. TimL2952

    TimL2952 New Member

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    May have settled on a Sig P220 in .357 sig

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