"Canned hunts" Opinions?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by orangello, Jun 20, 2011.

  1. Well of course we do.

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  2. No we do not.

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  3. We need controls but not from the federal government.

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  1. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I watched a show tonight about "canned hunts". It showed this pair of undercover people using hidden video cameras to record "hunts" on private property of some unusual animals and using some tactics that would be illegal to use on truly wild animals. Apparently many states define animals raised like livestock (captive bred & fed & such) as livestock and not wildlife subject to the regulation of the usual state wildlife conservation agencies.

    They talked about elevated deer blinds like they were ant-deer claymore mines or something, but i suppose such blinds aren't legal for deer in every state. :confused:

    They went on a couple of hunts in New York state. They went on a couple of hunts in Texas and had an interview with the guy running the TX farm.

    It didn't look much like the "hunting" i've participated in, and i am not a big hunter or excessive with the by-the-book ideal. I bent some rules as a kid, but i grew out of it (especially after that skunk). I don't think i would enjoy shooting a buffalo or ibex or much of anything under some of the circumstances in the TV show (baited to the stand, completely habituated to humans and gunfire, etc.). Of course, i am a strong supporter of individual property rights, including rights to livestock; this show seemed to center around "hunts" of "livestock" on private property. I don't much care for the government telling people what they can and cannot do with their own property, within reason (within reason as determined by a reasonable jury of their peers, not a special interest group).

    The aim of the show was to encourage support for a law currently in the federal legislature to outlaw "canned hunts". It doesn't seem like fun or a worthwhile pursuit, but i think the federal government has bigger things to work on. I also think that the feds have delved so deep into trying to control other areas of regular citizens' lives that this just seems like more overgrown nannystate crap.

    What do you think about having a federal law against "canned hunts"? How do you define a "canned hunt" in brief?
     
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  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I have always been against canned hunts and helicopter hunts. I am also not a huge fan of people that pay thousands of dollars to go to "farms" in Africa so Big Game "hunters" can bag their Big 5. :mad:

    I think of hunters as people who go out with the possibility or actually getting skunked.

    A canned hunt is a money paid guarantee, much like fishing in a stocked swimming pool. :rolleyes:

    Hate the idea. Hate that people are making HUGE profits doing it.

    JD
     

  3. LONGHAIR

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    My friend shot a bear in Canada a few years back and said they take you out on a fourwheeler and drop you off at a baited 55 gal.drum that has meat-fat in it ....then you just set and wait shoot your bear then they pick-you-up...that's the hunt...Not hunting to me...SORRY....I like being in the woods and if I don't see a thing it was still a good hunt.......
     
  4. Harleygunner

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    I grew up in Texas, and "tree stands " were the norm. I never hunted any other way. Never thought of it as a bad thing. I know that in neighboring Louisana, and I believe in Arkansas, hunting with dogs was the way it was done.
    I had heard of "canned hunts", it was large ranches where deer were pretty much raised just like cattle, and the wealthy "city" hunters would fly in for the week-end, shoot a tame deer, and fly home.
    I hate the thought of it. That is not hunting. I quit hunting many years ago,(a personal decision), but have no problem with those who do it in a sporting way. In my opinon, bow hunting by stalking is probably the best. I feel the deer has just as good a chance to come out the winner as the hunter.My son got his first that way.
    Having said that, I certainly don't want the govm't stepping in with even more regulations to set up for "canned" or otherwise.
     
  5. knfxda

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    Even with small game, it is totally distasteful to me:

    Oh and I'm sure that none of these birds went to waste. :(

    Senator defends Cheney's pheasant hunt

    Some nice tid-bits from the article:

     
  6. AusLach

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    I guess I sit on the fence on this one (no pun intended), because by some definitions, that's what my experience in Africa was like.

    The game park had two fences. An internal one that surrounded an area of 200 acres, and an extenal one, which covered more like 2000 acres. Both were 12 ft high ringlock fences with electrifed stand-off wires on both sides. They were to keep people and large predators out, and the game in. The internal 'paddock' was densly populated with game and was largely cleared. It was in this area that the game drives took place. Animals inside this area were accustomed to vehicles and people and would only wander off if the bakkie came within 50yrds or so. NO HUNTING WAS ALLOWED IN HERE.

    The outer fenced area was much more sparcely populated with game, and was made up of a combination of grassveld and highland scrubveld. Game animals would run at the sight of a human, and if the bakkie entered this area, you would simply not see anything. There was one vehicle entrance, and a track around the perimeter of the fence to allow for annual maintanence. Sires specially caught from the wild were delivered once every three years to maintain genetic diversity, however that was the full extent of human interferance and interaction.

    I researched the game park thoroughly before deciding whether or not it was satisfactory. I was told of horror stories where "rich white men with guns" (no offence intended to anyone here, these were the words of the owner) had specifically asked for their game to be drugged before the hunt :eek: I did not want a 'canned' hunt, however did not have the finances to hire a PH and hunt in the wild of Namibia. I dunno, to some, my trip may be viewed as a canned hunt, but I had enough failed stalks for me to know otherwise! :D It took me two solid days of stalking for a Springbok to present a decent shot.

    There is a difference between 'shooting' and 'hunting', I have always been clear to make that distinction. And although my South African experience occured inside a fence, I am sufficiently satisfied that it was indeed hunting, and my most memorable hunting experience at that.

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  7. c3shooter

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    Ever been on the Skyline Drive in VA? AT the Big Meadows area, you are 40 miles inside a national park. No hunting. we would take the kids out at dusk, when the deer are coming out of the woods, into the meadow to bed down. Totally unconcerned about people. One evening we counted 62 deer. You could "hunt" them with a large crescent wrench- walk up and whack one between the eyes.

    But to tell you the truth, as much as I dislike the "canned hunt" thing- our economy is in the toilet- unemployment in construction is about 20%, we have wars going in 3 countries- so........this- and Weiner's weiner is all the politicians have to worry about? :mad: And I fail to see where this is within the jurisdiction of the Federal government.
     
  8. Gatekeeper

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    I believe "hunting" is fair chase. The animals have to have a fair chance of eluding and escaping a hunter. Shooting in small high fenced areas and/or hand fed animals is not hunting in my opinion.
    To answer your poll, NO we do not need any federal or state regulation against "canned hunts"
    You want to pay the money to go to some private reserve and kill an animal so be it, you want to go to the local slaughterhouse and kill your own steer or lamb for dinner so be it. Hell run a deer down with your car, and take the meat home to feed your family...so be it.
    Just don't try to tell me how great a hunter you are.
    None of the trophy recognizing organizations like Boone & Crocket or Pope & Young recognize any "trophys" from high fence hunts. That may P.O. the people that paid so much money for their "hunt". Too FN bad
    I believe it is the way it should be.
     
  9. Benning Boy

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    I concur. I don't view it as hunting at all.

    When I used to hunt, I spent more days getting nothing than bagging something, and I was okay with that.

    Aerial hunts, chasing "problem" wolves down in a plane, then capping them when they're exhausted, suggests to me that the animal was far enough removed from civilization as to not be a "problem".

    Fenced hunts, chopper hunts, canned hunts, all suggest to me that the "hunter" lacks the skill to really call himself that. Hunting is more than shooting an animal.
     
  10. IGETEVEN

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6Mj1Us13Yk]YouTube - ‪Mr. Horse.m4v‬‏[/ame]

    I like a fair hunt in the game animal's AO. When one is hunting and tracking, it becomes a challenge to engage an animal that is free, in its own environment, and both the hunter and the hunted, utilize survival skills. Not much skill involved nor real hunting when an animal is offered up, contained and restricted with no means of escape. :rolleyes:

    Hogs are invasive and destructive, and multiply readily. I have no problem with aerial hunting them.
     
  11. rjd3282

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    I personally wouldn't do it. But that doesn't mean I have the right to tell someone else they can't. That's what the anti gun people do. If you want to tell someone else they can't do something just because you don't like it, that makes you just like the anti gun crowd.
     
  12. cpttango30

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    While I think it is disgusting and unsportsmanlike. If that is what some rich guys want to do then so be it.
     
  13. Gatoragn

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    I believe in State's Rights

    Hunting regulations while necessary, should be determined by each state based upon a combination of science, animal density and local cultures and traditions.
     
  14. jca1

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    I believe that baiting animals for sport/money is horrible. It is cowardly and evil.

    I believe that a man hunting for food to live on has the right to wage war on his prey and use any tactics he can to be successful. This is noble and honorable.
     
  15. cpttango30

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    I seen a show on one of the hunting channels a few years ago. What the did was use trucks to drive a heard of American Bison in to an area that was all the truck on 3 sides and 1 100' cliff behind them(The cliff went up not down). Then a guy with a Shilo Sharps jumps out of the truck walks up and from about 10' blasts one of the Bison in the face, doesn't kill it runs and grabs another round from the truck and takes another shot. Then proceeded to talk like he is a big hunter and made some glorious kill then he went on about how it almost killed him.

    I wrote to the show and to the station about how disgusting that was.

    Canned hunts are disgusting. I know plenty of people that do them though. There are bird farms all over the place. In fact one of my clients goes every spring and fall to WVa and does a bird hunt. He buys 30 dove 30 quail and 10 phesents and maybe some woodcock.

    The morning of the booked hunt they take the birds out to the fields and turn them lose around a big pile of grain. So the birds all stay in that area. Then they come in and you kill everything you paid for. If you don't oh well If you kill more you pay more.

    Too many who just want the instant gratification of killing something and don't want to work for it.

    I have been deer hunting for 3 years now and I have gotten 2 shots at deer. I wouldn't do it any other way.
     
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  16. Polygon

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    I don't call that hunting. I call that waiting. I personally can't stand it. I recall when I was VERY young going deer hunting with my dad. We didn't sit around and there was no baiting. We simply went into the woods, tracked down a buck, and shot it.

    Hunting would imply that you're looking for something. When it has to come to you, that's not hunting, it's waiting and it's lame.
     
  17. Walley

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    Being an old man who has been a avid hunter for over sixty years I feel that canned hunts are an abomination and should be outlawed. I have no respect at all for anyone who would partake in one and would never use the term hunter when referring to them To me there is something drastically wrong with a person who would even consider paying money to get the thrill out of killing a semi-tame animal. Hunting is a sport that takes dedication and skills that can only be earned by time in the field. I have no problem with people who lease land to hunt on, I do it myself, and set out feeders to make sure that sustainable populations of game animals are present Those who do this are true hunters unlike the kill crazy morons who partake in canned hunts. Those who advocate, take part in and support canned hunts should get jobs in a slaughter house to satisfy their blood lusts.
     
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  18. cpttango30

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    Who are we to limit how some one can take a game animal if they pay for the privliage to do it.

    This is the same as saying We should have test to see if you are fit to have children.

    What if I were to say that because of people like you feeding wildlife you are endangering their life. By feeding the deer we have over populated them to the point that mother nature has created CWD and upped the population of predators like coyotes to cull the heard. So you are just as much in the wrong as people who hunt in a pen. It is the same thing just a different way to go about it.



    Do I like canned hunts? NO, but I do support the right that people have to do that if they are willing to pay for it.

    People need to worry less about what others are doing and worry about themselves and what they are doing.

    Being a free society doesn't mean the government needs to make more laws to control things they were never meant to deal with.

    If you banned canned hunts. Then what? Ban hunting over bait. Then what ban hunting in field with food crops in them. Then what ban hunting till 2 hours after sun up and before sundown. Then what? Ban hunting on public lands. Then what ban hunting on private lands. Then what oh hell just ban gun because there is no use for them as no one can hunt.


    Outlawing one action that is close to another is a step slippery slope that we should not and do not want to go on with dress shoes.

    They are not hurting you they are not taking away from your hunting experience so why not just leave them the hell alone? Are they bothering you about the way you hunt?
     
  19. Dillinger

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    I'm with Tango & C3 in that we don't need anyone with a badge or from an elected office spending time and dollars on legislation against something like this as there are much more pressing issues.

    That doesn't mean we, as a shooting community, can't shun those that are making money hand over fist for what is basically a lay up hunt for some lazy rich guy. :rolleyes:

    Canned Hunts = Bad

    Government action against Canned Hunts = Also Bad

    JD
     
  20. wmille01

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    When I was younger we use to kill live stock with a 30-06 so we could butcher them it was fun, but when it came to hunting didn't matter if it was a bow or a rifle we were out in the woods on foot, unless we found a pretty sweet deer trail then we used either a tree stand or a natural ground blind. Me and my four brothers some times my two younger sister went with but mostly my brothers leave at 5 in the morning get to our starting point and go from there till it was too dark to see.

    I don't really even consider this hunting, it's more like just killing the damn thing to butcher it. When it comes to ferial hogs I would do it on a large farm not some tiny fenced in area with bait. On the other hand if a farmer is making money on it and feed his family with that money I wouldn't stop him.