Can someone explain bullet casting for me?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by texaswoodworker, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I am really wanting to get a Nagant revolver but the ammo availability and price are the only things keeping me from getting it. I plan on reloading for it to help bring the price down, and I was wondering about bullet casting.

    I have about 20 lbs of old lead (some was the kind plumbers used to use, the rest is melted down bird shot) and I was wondering what I would need to cast it, and How much it would cost.

    I am also curious about the process? Any words of wisdom from the many experts out there?

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  2. hmh

    hmh New Member

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    A way to melt it, something to melt it in, a mold, lube and a sizer. Under $100 the cheapest. You might need to add something to harden it up. But you will save alot of money.
     

  3. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    shoot C3 a pm - last time he answered a bullet casting thread I thought I was back in college listening to my physics professor :eek:


    I had nightmares that we were going to have a test on the info he posted :(
     
  4. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Thanks for the advice guys, I also pm-ed c3, and now I think I understand the basic process.
     
  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    If your looking to load for the nagant the original cases need to be washed as the primers are corrosive. You only get 1-2 loadings at best before the cases split.

    You can use a few modern cases but need to use plated bullets or clean the revolver every 25 shots in the cylinder retaining pin area or lead buildup will lock it up tighter than a vault door.

    I havent investigated the rumor that the cases can be made from 30carbine brass.
     
  6. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I've heard that you can also use 32-20 brass.

    I'm just wanting a fun range gun (especially since I don't have a handgun yet) and thought the Nagant sounded like a good option at $100. To bad it doesn't have cheap/plentiful ammo like it's cousin the Mosin.
    I have also looked into a few other milsurp pistols (makarov, tokarov, ect) but I would have to order their ammo to, and it is not exactly cheap either.
    I looked into a RIA 1911 in either 45 ACP or 9mm, but it is at the very limit of what I can afford right now. (possibly out of it)
    Anybody have any suggestions for a low priced, cheap to feed pistol (revolver or semi)? :D

    lol, if I can't cast bullets for the Nagant, at least I know what I need and how to do it for future revolvers. :D
     
  7. Durangokid

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    The cases are easy to make from the .32 WCF [32-20] brass. They will not have the deep seat and gas seal. That said they work just fine. Get a Lee Mold and some Lee Alox bullet lube. You should be able to shoot the .311 bullets without using a sizer. You just shake the slugs in Alox and let them dry. If needed Lee makes a cheap sizer that works. This is a round about like a .32 S&W Long easy to handle.:) Your Plummers lead will throw close to mold size and will seal bore. If you use WW lead you will likely throw over size bullets and they may not seal in this low pressure Ctg. Good Luck.:)
     
  8. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Where would I be able to find .311 plated bullets?

    Also, what did you mean by WW lead? Is that the lead from the bird shot?
     
  9. jordan89

    jordan89 New Member

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    My guess is wheel weight...
     
  10. Durangokid

    Durangokid New Member

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    WW refers to Wheel Weight metal. The clip ons are harder than Plummers lead. The stick ons run the same BH as Plummers lead. I don't know what you mean by plated? Are talking about jackets or cast lead and copper wash plate? The jacketed .32 XTP .312 will work in the Nagant. You can also run these thru a .311 sizer as well. Berry's Bullets has plated lead bullets. Shooting lead bullets you need to be one size over .311 bore bullet .312.:)
     
  11. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    yep, jacketed. I may try those .32 XTPs. Would the .312 improve accuracy?

    Here's another question. About were is a Nagant revolver on power? Is it somewhere around a .38 special, or is it less/more?
     
  12. Durangokid

    Durangokid New Member

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    The .32 XTP will shoot OK in the Nagant. The Nagant is not a fine sporting handgun. It is a mass produced military arm of the past. The trigger pull can be very heavy and the sights are crude. The 7.62 Nagant power wise is not in the class of the .38 Spec. It is very close to the little .32 S&W Long. This is a very low powered handgun round. I enjoy loading and shooting old handguns of the past. The Nagant is not a magnum, but they are fun to plink with.:) I have a Swede Nagant in 7.5 Caliber another low powered round. It is fun to shoot for an old time handgun.:)
     
  13. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    That will work for what I want it for. I'll have to find a Tula made one to go with my Mosin. :D

    lol, it seems odd that the Russians would have an extremely powerful battle rifle, but then have an underpowered revolver. I guess it worked for them though.
     
  14. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Did a little research on the components, and here is what I found out.

    I found a few choices for bullets, and luckily there are plenty of 32 caliber jacketed rounds out there so I won't have to worry about the cylinder locking up on me.

    Magtech 32 ACP (71 gr) is $11.99 per 100
    Hornady XTP 32 S&W (85 gr) is $16.29 per 100
    Starline 32-20 brass is $22.59 per 100
    CCI #500 is about $30 per 1000
    Red Dot powder is $16.99 per pound

    I couldn't find much reloading data for the Nagant, but I read that a few people use 3.5 gr of Red Dot. Does that sound right?

    I also ran this through a hand loading cost calculator, and depending on how many time I can reload the same brass, it will cost about $0.20-$0.40 per round to reload. :D
     
  15. texaswoodworker

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    Well, I decided I will definetly be getting the Nagant. :D

    Here's a legal question for ya'll. I cannot legaly buy it from a shop, but I read somewhere that it is perfectly legal for a parent to buy it and give it to you as a gift. Is that correct?
     
  16. bigdaddy573

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    Yep I'm 17 and all I have to do is have a parent with me and it has to be put in there name same with a rifle

    I RUN LIKE A CHEVY AND IM BUILT FORD TOUGH ;)
     
  17. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Sweet. My LGS just faxed his FFL to J&G, so all I have to do is order it. :D
     
  18. bigdaddy573

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    Awesome man!!! :D

    I RUN LIKE A CHEVY AND IM BUILT FORD TOUGH ;)
     
  19. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Just ordered it. $132 shipped and comes with the tool, and holster (it is also a Tula) :D
     
  20. Durangokid

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    If you are over 21 years old and not allowed to purchase OTC be aware. Having someone to purchase a handgun for you is a Federal Felony. This is known as a "Straw Purchase".