Can anyone tell me more about this rifle 9mm Flobert

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by wazer, Sep 20, 2012.

  1. wazer

    wazer New Member

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    Hi everyone,


    I have a rifle with a strong octagon barrel, cal. 9mm flobert. It looks like something old, but I can't put a year on it. I've attached some pics.

    Does someone knows more about this type of rifle and possibly the manufacturer? And how do you call this kind of 'firing mechanism'? (Assuming that the firing pin is still present, because it's missing on the pics)

    I can't find any marks on the barrel, and except 9FL, there is nothing else readable on the barrel.

    Hope that someone has an idea by just looking at the form and firing mechanism.


    Thanks!!
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  2. hardluk1

    hardluk1 Active Member

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  3. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    These are fairly common and in-expensive guns. Here are a couple pics of one of mine in 22 cal with the Rem rolling block style action. Many of these guns are unsafe to shoot. Often the barrels were not even rifled. Make great wall hangers. They are fairly old (most 100+ years). Made by many different makers and most have few if any markings. I have seen many many of these through the years but it is hard to find two the same. Sights were mostly crude(matching the gun). Value on these run $50 to $4 or 5 hundred(most in the $100 or less range).
     

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  4. wazer

    wazer New Member

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    @hardluk1 Where can I see if the gun is rifled? If I look through the barrel I can't see any rifling. The visible bore (at the end of the barrel) is smooth.

    Besides, why do they add the word 'flobert' to the caliber? I thought flobert stoods for rimfire cartridges? So I guess i am totally wrong...

    @hiwall, if it's a 100+ year old rifle, they are loaded with black powder? Or not necessary?


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  5. hiwall

    hiwall Well-Known Member

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    Yes almost all were made for black powder. I am not joking about most being unsafe to shoot. They made some "special" ammo that was for these guns. Some had NO powder charge, just used the primer. Some were smaller than .22 caliber. I have never seen one larger than .32 rimfire. I can not remember seeing any in a centerfire chambering. If yours is in 9 mm rimfire I urge you NOT to attempt to shoot it. There have been many different 9 mm rimfire cartridges made in the past. Now all you are likely to find are the 9 mm shotshells. They are too potent for your gun!
     
  6. hardluk1

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    Best I could tell the "flobert" name ment - small cartidge for target shooting - cap and ball. Seems to lots of them around over time . Just you know if your is in good functional shape and clean but probably a better show piece today.
     
  7. wazer

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    Thanks for warning but I wasn't planned for shooting it. It's not complete eiter.

    At least now I know some more about this rifle. It's old (100+), the shooting mechanism is "rolling block" and it isn't clearly who made it.

    More info is still welcome.


    Thanks!
     
  8. wazer

    wazer New Member

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    What about the .22 LR calibers, they are for target shooting too but I've never seen they addded 'flobert' to this type of calibers. I've wel seen 6mm flobert, but I guess they aren't the same.

    And what do you mean with "cap and ball"? I've looked for it, but i came out to revolvers.
     
  9. hardluk1

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    I can do and look up the same as you. Thats what I found. See what you find. theres also a 32cal flobert . who knows. Old non shooters at this point.
     
  10. wazer

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    Ok thanks in advance, I will look further.
     
  11. hiwall

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    "the shooting mechanism is "rolling block""

    actually I think yours is the Warnant system but missing the large block that flips up
     
  12. c3shooter

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    Originally a Flobert fired a rimfire cartridge, round ball, no powder- and was one of the very first cartridge firearms. Pretty well limited to pellet gun pressures, and good for target shooting in your living room. There was NO locking mechanism, and the gun relied on the hammer spring to hold the hammer down, holding a LOW pressure case in place when it fired.

    Julien WARNANT of Cheratte invented and patented (March 23 1885) a slightly different system with a flip over breechblock. This was just a bit stronger. Larger rounds were made in 7mm and 9mm, using primer only, or 1-2 grains of black powder. These should NOT be fired with any ammo more powerful than that. The 9mm rimfire shotgun shells are for a VERY different gun.

    They were made from 1885 up to ABOUT 1920. There are some very pretty, very ornate guns- engraved, carved stocks, etc- and some pretty plain guns as well. Prices have not been real high on these. Many were made in France, more in Belgium. If you remove barrel from stock you may find proof marks- likely ELG in an oval for Liege Belgium, or marks for St Etienne (France)
     
  13. richardbrentm

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    If your gun is a smooth bore then it is a 9mm rimfire shotgun. Midway arms sells modern Fiocci shells with #8. Shot. The were called "garden guns" because you could use them in urban gardens to get rid of pests and rodents.There were a lot of European manufacturers, but most were in Belgium. Also, most were unmarked. Winchester made a model 37 in the twenties that was chambered in 9mm
     
  14. hiwall

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    Actually it was the model 36 bolt action.
     
  15. c3shooter

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    Gents- you are responding to a post from 2012.

    In keeping with long standing tradition, you should now run outside and sing happy birthday to the thread.

    :D
     
  16. hiwall

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    I noticed it was an old thread but information is always valuable.:)