California legal upper????

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by tomykay12, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. tomykay12

    tomykay12 New Member

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    Hi. I am reading like crazy on the AR topic, and am concerned regarding California compliance. I get the bullet button and 10 round "fixed" magazine issue. 30" stock length as well. My current question is this; To accept a flash hider, which every prebuilt upper I have seen has, is not that a threaded barrel? In the eyes of the law, could that accept an illegal suppressor/silencer? Are the upper assemblies that, PSA (for example) sells, legal in California? Thanx for any clarification here, tk
     
  2. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    An upper with a threaded barrel that has the threads exposed or has a removable flash hider/supressor/muzzle brake would be illegal in California. To be in compliance you would need to have a non threaded barrel or have a muzzle brake that is permanently attached, thus making your threads useless for anything else. To be considered permanently attached it needs to pinned in place or welded on (JB Weld does not count). Some companies can provide a non-threaded barrel or a perm-attatched muzzle brake for California compliance.
     
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  3. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    Rifles can have threaded barrels.

    Pistols cannot have threaded barrels in CA.

    If you have a flash hider or any flash suppression muzzle device on your AR / Rifle, your magazine (should your rifle take them) needs to be permenant affixed. A magazine lock, like a Radlock, Prince 50 etc etc will take care of this issue as you need a tool to remove your magazine.
     
  4. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    Rifles

    If your barrel is 16" or longer, you do not need to permenantly affix a muzzle device. If it is shorter you do need to permenantly affix it, in order to make the 16" minimum federal requirements. (standard NFA requirements)

    Hope this helps you.






    These things aren't really an issue if you are buying from a store and off the rack. It really only comes to play if you are rolling your own.
     
  5. tomykay12

    tomykay12 New Member

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    Got the bullet button/fixed magazine thing. Got the 16" barrel length thing. Got the 10 rd magazine thing. Got the 30" minimum fireable length thing. Right now just confoosed about the flash hider. I don't want to buy an upper from somewhere like PSA and find out the hard way that it is not legal here for some reason. Does the A2 flash hider thread on ?? I have been on Calguns site but get lost in legaleese....There also seems to be some conflicting info, as in the two posts above; one saying it is ok, the other not. Hmmmmm,,, Thanx, tk
     
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  6. AgentTikki

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    You can have a flash hider if you have a mag lock.

    If you do not have a mag lock (aka featureless build) you cannot have a flash hider, pistol grip or collapseable stock.
    If you go featureless, you can forgo the mag lock and use preban (2000) previously legally acquired standard capacity magazines....

    This is why people do things like this...
     

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    AgentTikki New Member

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    and things like this
     

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  8. AgentTikki

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    Note the lack of flash hiders,
    Note the lack of pistol grips.
    Note the lack of collapseable stocks.


    my favorite pic.

    The Foot Soldier's Featureless AR.
     

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  9. 2ndfan

    2ndfan New Member

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    There is a quality AR builder in Cal, Franklin Armory, building very nice Cal legal guns. They also sell lowers and uppers for the Ca market.
     
  10. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    AT, your pictures make me wanna cry! :(
     
  11. AgentTikki

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    ya

    I die a little everytime I shoot a featureless. I've been down that route and I wasn't impressed.

    The standard magazine release and preban 30 rounds mags hardly make it worth it.

    A $2 finger pick and I am dropping mags a whole second slower than normal.
     
  12. tomykay12

    tomykay12 New Member

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    May I rephrase the question please? Is there anything about a 16" mid length light profile upper from PSA that is not acceptable in California? I do not intend to build featureless and will install a bullet button and promise to only buy 10 rd magazines. tk
     
  13. Quentin

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    Well there shouldn't be anything wrong legally with "16", "LW" and "midlength".

    As far as a PSA CA compliant upper, I'm not sure. Why not check and see if they offer one.
     
  14. Vikingdad

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    Do not ever call anything affixed to the muzzle a "flash hider". In the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia that device must always be a "muzzle brake". It is all about the terminology and nothing about what the device is actually supposed to do. Best to completely purge the word combination "flash hider" completely from your vocabulary. Think of it like calling a magazine a "clip". Just don't ever do it. Ever.

    Having a threaded on muzzle brake is perfectly legal for a 16" or longer barrel.
     
  15. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Oh, and to better answer your question, the upper is no longer the issue it once was these days.
     
  16. AgentTikki

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    ur good go go go
     
  17. tomykay12

    tomykay12 New Member

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    Whew, that was a toughie. Thought as much. I read through alot of stuff on Calguns, and saw the reg you mentioned speciffically banning threaded barrels on handguns, but not rifles. Thankyou all here, tk
     
  18. Quentin

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    Is the PSA bayonet lug an issue in CA? Of course 5 minutes with a file will solve that.
     
  19. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Bayonet lugs are OK AFAIK.
     
  20. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    That's good. Just wondering. I'm spoiled here in Idaho.

    BTW, if any of you guys want to come up here, you're welcome. It's the liberals that flood in here that we hate! :D