california accidental beretta discharge

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by slej, Jan 22, 2011.

  1. slej

    slej New Member

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    I may be missing something, but couldn't find a thread already on this ... please redirect me if I'm in the wrong place... but Im interested in the very unquestioning press accounts of the California school accidental discharge from a backpack... how many ways can a semi-automatic 9mm discharge unless it is cocked and the safety off? I suppose if dropped from a sufficient height, even if the hammer is not back (but the safety is off), conceivably it could be forced to travel back enough to spring back and fire a round already in the chamber...
     
  2. c3shooter

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    Considering that any modern handgun sold in CA must have passed the Dept of Justice drop test, the most likely answer is that the massive quantity of BS injected by the news media filled the backpack to overflowing, placing pressure on the trigger. :cool:
     

  3. slej

    slej New Member

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    most informative... thanks
    remind me to take you home to meet mum
     
  4. JonM

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    my guess it was a glock. they have no real safety. something in the goblin's backpack got in the trigger guard, drop, boom.
     
  5. dog2000tj

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    If I recall correctly weren't there something like 3 people injured? :confused: I'm guessing a whole load of BS on the press reports for this one. Very unlikely the a pistol in a backpack went off and 3 people get shot. :cool: Last I heard they hadn't caught the person who had the gun the backpack either. :eek:
     
  6. indyfan

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    Good point, but I think the Glock actually got up by itself, cocked itself and fired towards the nearest infant. They do that a lot, its true, I know a guy that knows a guy that saw it happen once to a police officer's brother's cousin's step sister's friend's roommate's mother...




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  7. Eric0424

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    True, but that doesn't mean no one in CA has ever removed a safety device or owns an illegal CA weapon or even one in need of repair. The report I read said the gun discharged when the backpack was slammed on the students desk and there's no way of knowing what may have been inside the backpack. If the kid had the safety off or it was a model with no external safety it's conceivable, as JonM pointed out, something could have been inside the trigger guard.

    The articles I've read didn't mention the make or model of the pistol.

    Last thing I read it was just two children shot, a girl was in critical condition with a head wound and a boy shot in the shoulder was in serious condition. The police did escort the "gunman" from the school. These facts may have changed by now, but a web search for "CA school shooting January 18 2011" should find all kinds of articles, blogs and anti-gun morons voicing their biased, uneducated opinions on how more gun control could have blah, blah, blah, etc. etc.. I mean uneducated in regards to firearms, not general stupidity.

    Of course if we assume the stories published by the media are BS there's not point in reading them. I doubt we'll ever know enough of the facts to make any real assessment on what happened.

    I did read this in one of the articles:

    "Gardena High hadn't been performing daily random searches of students with a metal detecting wand, in violation of district policy..."

    If the above is true, I figure the school has deeper pockets than the "gunman" and/or his family so the focus of the lawsuits will probably be on the school.
     
  8. gatopardo

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    Could happen like this:

    Gun inside backpack,
    Backpack drops,
    Gun fires first round,
    Gun recoils inside backpack and bounces forward
    Gets tangled with pen or such, fires again.

    That is how it plays in my mind.

    Almost the same way one can make a small carbine fire in automatic fire, with a stiff finger and a little pressure on the grip.
     
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  9. freefall

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    I like the Evil Glock firing itself at nearest child theory. We all know it happens, we're just part of the Evil Handgun Conspiracy to cover it up. (Because your child is worth so much less than my Glock) :cool:
     
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  10. rjd3282

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    I think the whole story has to be bogus. There are laws that prevent minors from carrying guns. There are laws to prevent guns in schools. Kalifornia has laws about handgun safeties. There are so many laws on the books to prevent this kind of thing. I just don't see how it could happen. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Eric0424

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    People break, bend and/or ignore the law all the time, and in this case the school itself violated district policy by not performing the daily random searches. With the searches being random it still may not have caught this particular kid, but at least they would have had the chance.

    Laws don't actually prevent anything, it's up to each individual to make the decision on whether or not they follow them. Most responsible people will follow the laws that are written, but others won't.
     
  12. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Random searches only yield lucky results.
     
  13. rjd3282

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    I know I was being sarcastic. That's what the libs think. Make a law and criminals will have to obey it. Right!
    :rolleyes: = sarcastic
     
  14. Gojubrian

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    I'm calling for a ban on high schools!!!! :mad:
     
  15. IGETEVEN

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    Sadly, a tragic incident, but indeed as stated, it could have been completely preventable.

    When backpacks are outlawed...only outlaws will have backpacks. :rolleyes:
     
  16. headpainter

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    beretta 9mm accidental discharge

    After 11 years in the Air Force dealing with Berettas, I can say that most have 3 built in safeties. The manual safety/decocking lever, the half-cock notch, and the firing pin block. The manual is the lever in the back that wont allow the trigger to cock the hammer and when the hammer falls with the safety on, the firing pin is not inline with the striker, so the safety was propably off in the shooting. The other 2 safeties would have stopped the discharge if the hammer fell and the trigger was not being held completely to the rear. The half cock notch is designed to restrain the hammer if the trigger is not being held and the sears slip. The firing pin block is a block that sits in a notch in the firing pin and WILL NOT
     
  17. headpainter

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    Beretta 9mm accidental discharge

    allow the firing pin to move unless the trigger is intentionally held to the rear as the hammer falls. Therefore, it is more probable that this was an intentional shooting. Latest news indicates that the bag was not dropped, he reached into it for a lunchbox or something. I think there is more to the story.
     
  18. dog2000tj

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    Which makes me question, why after almost a week already do they not have all of the facts? :confused: Something about the story does not smell right. :cool:

    In any instance I call for a ban on students at all schools, only then will they be safe from firearms! :rolleyes:
     
  19. spittinfire

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    I agree and would like to add malls and colleges to the list of banned places. These are the only places people seem to get shot so they must be completely eliminated!