Cabelas in Hammond Indiana

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by PrimePorkchop, Nov 21, 2013.

  1. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    This story may sound familiar to some of you, since we've gone through it before with bass pro shops (link in my signature below) but this one has a few differences, namely the state it happened in and the business where it happened.

    A friend of mine went to the Cabelas Hammond just inside Indiana (We're both from Illinois) and was checking out some of the rifles and was going to purchase ammunition.

    Obviously other customers are looking as well, and the guy behind the counter was giving some very bad information about one of the rifles, which my friend and the guy he was with quickly tried to correct, only to piss off the guy behind the counter something awful. (but hey...if you don't know what you're talking about, there's no shame in saying "I don't know") !!!

    Anyways, a few minutes go by, and the guy my buddy is with made a small comment about "Man its nice not having to deal with a FOID card over here" and the guy behind the counter got all snot faced, jerked the rifle from my friends hand, and yelled at them for not saying they were from Illinois to begin with.

    Long argument short, he told them that it was Indiana State Law, and they were not allowed to hold any firearms or purchase ammunition.

    Now i'm about 98.5% sure that this isn't Indiana State Law...I've looked, and can't find anything, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    Was hoping some of you here could help me research it, just like we all did w/ the Bass Pro Shops incident, and hopefully find out this was just a rogue employee who needs some corrective action applied, and not a store policy or, even worse, a state law.
     
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  2. ScottA

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    I am from Iowa. I have purchased ammo and handled firearms in that Cabela's with no problem while having to show my driver license at check out proving my residency. You pissed off the clerk and he was throwing his weight around. Report the guy to management and CC corporate.
     

  3. Mercator

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    There is no such state law here. The Hammond store may fall under a custom restriction just for Illinois. It's a shame that worlds most beautiful skyline is controlled by America's worst a$$oles. As far as the store clerk, we all know the type. But it's unlikely he made that up.
     
  4. John_Deer

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    A clerk in a gun shop can refuse to make a sale for any reason. Even employees of corporate chains like bass pro and cabelas will not be punished. All he has to say is something seemed fishy about the sale.

    Here is a notice from the Bass Pro site. I ordered ammo from them last night.

    Ammunition is restricted from sale to DC, IL, MA, NJ and NY City. For other locations, you must be 18 or older to purchase ammunition or black powder. For safety reasons we do not accept returns on ammunition or black powder. All ammunition and black powder are considered hazardous and will be shipped ground, contiguous 48 states only. For U.S. sale only.

    Factory reps train employees of large stores to sell their products. The best way to get a bargain is to make nice with the clerk, even if he/she is very misinformed. Your goal is to get the things you want at a good price not to educate the store help.

    The best thing you can do at this point is vote out the anti gun legislators in your state. I am sure IL has grass roots organizations and the NRA is active in IL. Grass roots organizations are your best bet. They will get money to candidates who have a pro gun agenda.
     
  5. ctshooter

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    The Connecticut cabelas has some of their own rules as well. For instance they do not sell SKS even though it is or at least was perfectly legal for them to do so. Now in CT we have to show either a carry permit or an ammo permit to buy any type of ammo. That is one of the new state laws.
     
  6. Fathead00

    Fathead00 New Member

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    I live near here and the ONLY thing an Illinois customer needs to do is SHOW your FOID card! I hate people like this that give MY state a bad name. That guy was being a D!CK because he got showed up.
     
  7. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    But that's what I'm trying to figure out ... is it a store policy or a state law?

    If it's a store policy - I have a big problem with that.

    Sure, they have the right to have that policy, doesn't mean I have to support it or like it =)

    That policy basically says that there is an invisible line separating the states, and on the Illinois side of the line, you're a criminal and can't be trusted without your FOID, but on the Ohio side of the line (or Iowa, or Kentucky, etc) you're A-OK and I can trust you completely.
     
  8. Fathead00

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    I would think more of a state law IMO. What if you couldn't get your FOID card because of some bad crap you did, so you decide to come over to Indiana to get ammo. I've never bought ammo in another state.
     
  9. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    But you can do that if you're from Kentucky, Ohio, Iowa, Michigan, or any of the other 43 States w/o a FOID...

    plus, jsut because you don't have a FOID doesn't mean you don't have to still pass the same federal NICS background check...

    FOID is a joke - instances like this are proof.
     
  10. Fathead00

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    I understand. My cousin is from Illinois said anywhere he has bought from in Indiana has asked him for his FOID card. I would think it is almost a universal law for stores who sell firearms/ammo.
     
  11. John_Deer

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    If you don't have an FOID card and I know you are from IL I wouldn't sell a gun or ammo to you. If you get back to IL and get in trouble with the gun/ammo the ATF is coming to visit me. Whatever the profit is on a gun or ammo it's not worth getting reamed by the ATF.

    To be honest if you were from any of the heavily restricted states I would say no as soon as I saw your ID. A gun shop that can have it's license pulled for little or no reason is not in a position to make political statements.
     
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  12. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    You run the same risk of selling that same gun to any other resident of any other state.

    You won't sell to me, from Illinois, if I dont' show you my FOID, but you'll sell to someone from Ohio?

    If that's your policy - are you even performing background checks?

    If you are performing background checks, then what's the problem? FOID or no FOID, i'll still pass or not pass my Federal level NICS background check
     
  13. Mercator

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    For the still perplexed. Not everything that happens in Indiana is dictated by state law. Businesses can add their own restrictions. Apparently Cabelas does not want a pi$$ing match with the state of Illinois, because otherwise Chicago gangs would sweep the inventory clean. That is reality. You and I might wish Chicago was traded away to Canada (I'd take British Columbia), but for now it is here, stinking up the neighborhood.
     
  14. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    I've never once stated they shouldn't have the right to have those policies

    I simply have a problem with those policies.

    Bass Pro Shops in Gurnee, IL used the same lame excuse.

    You cannot walk into Cabelas in Indiana and buy a firearm without passing a background check so, please, tell me, what's the point of requiring a FOID?

    What you just said doesnt apply - because those gang bangers can't walk in and buy that firearm, because they wouldn't pass the background check

    and IF THEY WOULD pass the background check, they would pass the FOID check too.

    Seems stupid to me.
     
  15. GTX63

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    I have purchased ammo from Missouri, Indiana as well as KY with cash and nothing else. The GS in KY stated if they know you are from out of state, ie a check or your car's plates in the lot, then they'll go thru procedure. Cabela's in St Louis, no check.
     
  16. Mercator

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  17. Mercator

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    I agree, it was an exaggeration. People who set up policies will not tell you that. To them, more is better. Your stupid is their "reasonable" and "for the children". Don't mistake my post for defending their practices. My point is, the city of Chicago casts a long shadow.
     
  18. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    I don't disagree with you there. But for me that's the point of all of this =)

    Maybe it's a futile effort, but I can't help but try.

    Will be making a trip to the Cabelas on Saturday to see for myself.

    Hopefully, it's not a store policy...I think we've already established it's not a state law :cool:
     
  19. Mack Bolan

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    unless i'm confused, I think it is more about acknowledging the reciprocity of each state's laws....because you need a FOID in IL to touch a gun while shopping in IL for a gun, or need to show the FOID to buy ammo, stores in other states technically have to treat IL residents like they're in IL essentially, so if they know you are from IL when you approach the counter, they'll card you for a FOID first.

    And like anything else, some people are good about administering a policy and others are jerks (as in this case).

    I understand exactly why you think the policy doesnt make sense, it doesn't. a national background check is a national background check, whether you get one from the illinois state police for an issued piece of plastic that basically means you passed as of this issue date, or you get one at the store that you decided to buy the gun from at the time of purchase, regardless of state.

    If a felony was committed after a FOID card was issued, by that card holder, it should be in the national database anyway, so any attempt to purchase regardless of whether or not a FOID card was presented first, should still get flagged.

    as you all ready know, the FOID card is simply Illinois's "DA BLE Check" system for firearms and ammo sales....:D:cool:

    If you have to shop there again, I would try to get a different sales person.