Buying my son a firearm

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by nvowner, Dec 16, 2013.

  1. nvowner

    nvowner New Member

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    Hello. A few months ago I bought my almost 17 son a used Remington 870 as a second shotgun (he already has a few rifles but this was considered his first home defense firearm). So 16 year old keeping a loaded firearm in his room. (I trust him 110% in gun safety so please don;t mention that as you are wasting time). We live in Ohio, castle doctrine. I have done some internet searches and things but I haven't gotten a clear answer but in the rare event someone breaks into the homestead, would he be able to draw that firearm and possibly fire it in defense [even rarer] (bad guy was coming at him in aggressive manor). What legal actions would be taken as he is a minor and he had possession of the firearm in his room, not in mine etc. Thanks all for the help in advance. And to all the safety sallies out there, please hold your breath and go play some more call of duty. Thanks guys.
     
  2. Point6liter

    Point6liter New Member

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    I do not know the law in Ohio on the particular subject, but personally, i look at it this way.... Would you rather your son protect himself and your family from a violent and possibly deadly attack and have the possibility of a lawsuit, or would you rather him not and something that is not fixable happen? I know personally I would rather face the possibility of doing jail time than have something happen to my child or any loved one for that matter. You would think it would not matter legally speaking, who is defending themself inside of their home, but sadly you cant ever be sure if you can legally defend yourself anywhere these days.
     

  3. unclebear

    unclebear New Member

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    I'm not really sure where Ohio stands on this type of thing but i see where your coming from when i was younger my parents lets me keep the most of guns in my room not only for maintance but also for home defense mostly because they're night meds would let them sleep through a tornado.

    There has been multiple cases where kids have had to defend them selves from intruders so best thing i could think is to ask a good lawyer about it just in case.
     
  4. nvowner

    nvowner New Member

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    Point, Thanks for the great input! I totally agree with you. It honestly is a shame how far we have come to a protectionist people. Back then on the homestead, if someone walked in with bad intentions, they were gone. It's a sign of the times my friend. Ohio has pretty good gun laws, I am proud of our state but that could change anytime. Judged by 12 or carried by 6.
     
  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    seems the laws of common sense have changed somewhat since i was his age. but a lot of that would come down to the laws in your state as regards to a minor having access to a firearm. IMO, i think most parents that own firearms and allow their children or young adults to won firearms are much more suited to making the call as to when or how their children have access to their firearms and ammo.
     
  6. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Heck with it... screw the legalese. I'd rather deal with an unrighteous law than have my family harmed.
     
  7. Dearhunter

    Dearhunter Supporting Member Supporter

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    Look at it this way, It is better to be judged by 12, than carried by six!!
     
  8. nvowner

    nvowner New Member

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    Thanks guys for all the help and answers. I have another question (I know you guys are not lawyers or anything so I got that part). It seems that questions like this I can find no answer to on the interweb. I ma not new to guns but I did not grow up with them, so I was never taught all the deep deep laws.

    Again Ohio. The 870 was a private sale, no names or anything just an ID. So out of complete curiosity, what would I have to do to legally give that gun to my son when he is 18? Do I just hand him the gun over and shake on it or do I need a contract saying I transferred it to him? Thanks again and I get you guys are not professionals but any insight or thoughts are better than what I have come up with! Thanks again!
     
  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i was taught the rule of, "judged by twelve, vs. carried by six" from my father, many years ago before Texas had a Castle Law and CC. if you are sitting in court defending yourself, at least you are alive and the BG is dead. i would rather be alive and having to defend myself, vs. being dead.

    these are strictly my thoughts and opinions, and not advice or suggestions or in any way legal advice to be taken by you or your son. not myself or others can tell you what you or him needs to do. the two of you need to discuss and make these decisions. but i will say this, i pray the choices you make will keep both of you and your family alive in the unlikely event there ever is a violent encounter within your home. good luck and best of wishes to all.
     
  10. nvowner

    nvowner New Member

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    Thank you for the link. Although I do not see any information about persons under the age of 18. I will do some more digging but thank you for the link!
     
  11. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    To take another route to your question- at what age are you permitted to hunt in Ohio WITHOUT having an adult present? If you can hunt with a firearm at 16, 17, etc..........

    And no, I don't know the answer in Ohio. But if you can possess a shotgun while hunting, then it would follow you can possess one at home- with the consent of parents.
     
  12. kfox75

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    Here's a link to a page that will help answer the question on age.

    http://www.ohiodnr.com/wildlife/dow/regulations/hunting_accompany.aspx

    FWIW, I would say if you trust him with the shotgun in his room, go for it. just make sure he has a good cabinet or safe to keep it in when he is not using it, or in direct control of it. That's how my parents did it with me, and my wife and I did it with our daughter. Once he is 18, private party transfer it to him.
     
  13. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes and don't sweat the issue of what will happen if he blasts a big freakin hole in a bad guy. Legal entanglements are stressful and a pain in the *** and will undoubtedly follow any SD shooting...but you're still alive.

    And if that actually happened, your son would probably be hailed as a hero.
     
  14. Eagle1803

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    there are alot of situations in the us were minors have defended their home from intruders, etc.. it depends on the state you live in, if you live in CA,Ny, IL or some other states like these your probally screwed, most friendly gun states have a castle Doctrine, thats what you need to check....
     
  15. 4sig

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    one suggestion might be to ask the local police on a hypothetical what if basis. Since they are the likely ones you/your son would have to fave in the event of a shooting.
     
  16. Gatoragn

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    My how things have changed. In 1973, my 12th Christmas, Santa put a Remington 1100 12 ga under the tree for me. Santa never left that bill of sale. In 1979 I turned 18, but I don't recall going to the courthouse to transfer ownership of my shotgun to me.

    Mind you for the first few years of being a shotgunner, it was only with parental approval and/or other responsible adult supervision (big brother, granddaddy, great-aunt).

    My great-aunt drove a school bus and would transport my single shot .410 on the floor next to her seat when I visited her on weekends.:cool: Try that now. :eek:

    I hope we have not gotten to a point a parent cannot purchase their children a shotgun if they wish to do so.

    One more reason I find to feel fortunate not to have children. If I did for/to my kids what my parents did I would be in jail, spankings, shotguns for Christmas, chores on the farm, oh the abuse I suffered.
     
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  17. bamashooter68

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    My 15yr old son keeps a 20ga shotgun in his room for self defense purposes. He has been around guns all his life so I trust him completely. Hopefully he will never have to use it in the house.
     
  18. molonlabexx

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    This sparks interest to me as well. Would OP have to get a transfer paper even though there was no papers or proof of ownership in the first place. (As private sales are, you basically walk off with the gun and just that.) Oh in Ohio anyone under 18 can posses a long gun. 18-21 can posses a handgun (read on these yourself but I checked few sources that said the above).

    And as a side not, you can conceal carry when you are 16 in Vermont (again fact checked but not in depth).
     
  19. KJG67

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    Seems to me there have cases reported in the news where the firearm is owned by the adult but a child had access to it and shot the bad guy when the adult wasn't home. No charges filed against the child. Google may offer some cases.

    Presuming it was clearly a BG, then it's self-defense. Is a lawyer going to question why a gun was in his room? I would probably say the answer is there is no law saying firearms can only be kept in one spot, so I would think you're good.