Buying a handgun

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by witness, Jun 22, 2014.

  1. witness

    witness New Member

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    I live in Pennsylvania, around the Philadelphia area, and I want to buy a handgun. I was thinking either a glock 19 or a witness. Going to the shooting range is a hobby of mine but the bill at the end really adds up when i don't own my own firearm and bullets. Can someone please help me out regarding the process of buying and carrying a handgun (glock or a witness) and bullets (9MM).

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  2. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    PENNSYLVANIA
    “The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State shall
    not be questioned.”

    Contact Info
    Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
    Office of the Attorney General
    Strawberry Square
    Harrisburg, PA 17120
    (717) 787-3391


    Prohibited Areas (state)

    Courthouses T.18 §913
    Public and private school property T.18 §913
    Casinos (If posted) §465.14
    Correctional institution or any building/land appurtenant thereto. 61 Pa. Consol. Stat. Ann. § 5902.
    The Capitol Complex: Including all leased premises of the Department. Pa. Code tit. 49, § 61.3
    Mental hospital. 18 Pa. Consol. Stat. Ann. § 5122
    Prohibited Areas (federal)

    Airport secure areas (49 CFR § 1540.111(a))
    Post Offices (18 USC § 930, 39 CFR § 232.1)
    Federal buildings (including prisons, courthouses, and Army Corps of Engineers) (18 USC § 930, 36 CFR § 327.13)
    A private residence if notice is given (verbal/posted sign)
    Military bases (18 USC § 930)
    National cemeteries (38 C.F.R. § 1.218(a)(13))
    Any area designated secure or otherwise prohibited by State or Federal Law

    Duty To Retreat
    NO. A person has NO duty to retreat if: 1.The actor has the right to be in the place where he is attacked, 2.The actor believes it is immediately necessary to do so to protect himself against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping, or sexual intercourse by force or threat; AND, 3.The person against whom the force is used displays or otherwise uses: 1.A firearm or replica firearm, or 2.Any other weapon readily or apparently capable of lethal use. 18 PACSA §505
    Special Notes

    Vehicles: Pennsylvania law provides that "any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle…without a valid and lawfully issued license…commits a felony." 18 Pa.Cons. Stat. Ann. § 6106(a).
    Age Restrictions: Subject to certain exceptions, a person under the age of 18 shall not possess or transport a firearm anywhere in the Commonwealth. 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. Ann. §6110.1(a).
    Hunting: It is lawful for any person who possesses a valid license to carry a firearm issued under 18 Pa.C.S. § 6109 to carry that firearm while hunting (including bow hunting) in Pennsylvania. T. 34 §2525
    --from legal heat
     
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  3. LikeABoss

    LikeABoss Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Pretty broad question there my friend, need to start doing some homework, a gun store can take you through the purchase requirements, here is a good place to start for handgun law and CCW's.... http://www.handgunlaw.us/
     
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  4. witness

    witness New Member

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    Thanks folks, I appreciate it. MisterMCcool, so my next step would be to call that number you provided me with ?
    I tried getting some help regarding carrying a firearm from people calling themselves master firearm instructors. I got no useful feedback beyond safety measures, so i started teaching myself. They seemed to not care enough about what I need as much as how much i can pay. I keep trying to locate someone new, but bottoms line is I have a year to teach myself everything i can, so I would appreciate all the help i can get.

    Thanks,
     
  5. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Sure, call them or the local police/sheriff's office.


    No offense and none taken
     
  6. indy36

    indy36 New Member

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    Why do you "have a year to teach myself everything I can"? Like that is all you have? What happens after that year? And why a Glock or a Witness? Those aren't guns most people would pair for their 'either/or' on ownership. And how old are you? Do you have any experience shooting anything, ever? And as for buying a gun, well, you walk into a gun store, you fill out a form, your background is checked, and if you pass you pay and leave with a gun. As for bullets, buy some. All it takes is money. Lastly, I can assure you, there is nothing inexpensive about shooting. It's not cheap.
     
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  7. witness

    witness New Member

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    Indy36, Thats a long List of questions. I'll answer a couple of them though. I am 22 years old. As for the choice of firearm, I am trying to find someone to teach me how to carry and efficiently use all type of weapons (firearms, rifles, shotguns) but handguns are of the utmost priority because I can use it to end a situation other than catalyze it. Glock because i like the weight, witness because i like how it absorbs recoil.
     
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  8. indy36

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    I owned a Witness way back in time. No fun to carry around. Too big, too heavy. I have owned and competed with several Glocks. They just don't fit my hand. My advice, pick up and hold as many guns as you can prior to buying one. Also, give thought to what your primary reason for owning a gun is...meaning a 'range target' gun vs. 'daily carry' gun for example. Small guns that carry well tend to be less fun on the range (short barrels = less accuracy / more snappy recoil) while full-size heavy guns with long barrels are more accurate and fun to shoot but tend to pull your pants down while carrying. There is no 'one perfect gun' that meets all objectives. That's why we own lots of guns. They are like shoes. Sometimes you need a work boot (Glock) and other times you need a running shoe (Sig P238) and sometimes you need a dress shoe (Ed Brown 1911). Remember this, always buy the best shoe you can afford. Save up and buy quality. I get tired of the 'what's the best gun I can buy for under $200' threads. Your life is worth more than sub $200, plus, it feels good owning something nice. As for training, I'd help you if I lived where you do but I'm not in that state. Best wishes, stay eager to learn and polite and someone will help you.


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  9. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If you're not set on getting a Glock, I think of the S&W M&P as a Glock with ergonomics for the human hand.

    For carry and daily use, you will probably want something that's smaller than a full size pistol (because they're more difficult to conceal) and larger than a sub compact size pistol (because they're more difficult to control).

    The Glock 19 or M&P Compact fit the bill. Both are available in 9MM Luger. Both are reasonably priced. Try them both. If you still want the Glock, then get the Glock. If not, the M&P definitely has better ergonomics.

    Ammunition is available from Wal-Mart, Academy, the gun stores, and online.

    The online prices are generally the best if you shoot in any volume.

    Do read up on your state's laws first. Do attend a safety course first. Do attend a first aid and CPR course. Do get some hand-to-hand and edged weapons combat training. Do purchase a safe of some kind for your pistol if you don't already have one. Try to get some firearms training with your pistol as soon as possible after you purchase it.

    As previously stated, the pistol, ammunition, training, and sufficient practice are not inexpensive.
     
  10. witness

    witness New Member

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    Indy36, Kbd512, thank you for your advice they are very helpful. Kbd512 i don't know if smith and Wesson's M&Ps are better than the glocks or not, but I am on their website right now and they are such a beauty they make me want to swear.

    One step at a time, first i have to find an instructor, and keep an eye on all the things you guys already mentioned.
     
  11. rn-cindy

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    Is there a local malitia you can join....I know they will usually take in new recruits and help with training costs....................:D
     
  12. Defiant_one

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    Witness..couple of words of advice

    Take it for what it is, advice, not criticism.

    I saw you write about ending a situation quickly. That would not be a handgun, that would be de-escalate, escape, don't be there in the first place. The last place you want to be is defending yourself in court on why you had to shoot someone when you had every opportunity to get out of the situation or worse, you instigated.

    As to instruction, find an older adult who is a gun enthusiast. Ask the friends your age if they have dad's like that. Then politely ask the dad if he would help. If he is a true enthusiast, he will be glad to as we all have fun showing off our know how...LOL

    Both the Glock and the Smith and Wesson poly guns are pretty awesome, reliable and easy. So best bet ? Shoot them at the range and decide to buy.

    But keep in mind, safety and a cool head is the top of the list. This is a toy that can kill. and not always the intended target. To shoot another person is LAST resort and I mean last.

    You are in your car and someone is banging on the doors to attack you. DRIVE AWAY. Call 911.

    They break the glass and attack you trying to drag you from your car which is trapped. No way out. THAT is a self defense situation.

    Read up on this stuff and the legal ramification. Target shoot, fine. Self-defense...You need to truly read and understand your own psychology, self-assess. If you have a hot temper, carry may not be for you. If you are a controlled person, then all the better.

    Make sense?
     
  13. hawkguy

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    well, i'll start off by saying idk penn. laws at all. but i think mccool gave you some useful info.

    i'm NO expert. but i suppose i started my shooting hobby somewhat like you, with very little hands on experience with most firearms.

    first, you are off to a good start by asking questions here. take what info you are given and research it for yourself! this board is a good STARTING place. you are very fortunate to have SO much info at your disposal these days. listen to the posters here, even if you disagree. there is vast info given free here! :)

    next, i feel it would really help you to find a few shooting sport enthusiasts to help you along. an investment in a basic firearm safety course can go a long way. idk the requirements for CC in penn., but must CC classes are loaded with info.

    when it comes to the handgun you will ultimately buy....remember opinions are like...:p.....in the end, you have to do some research and groundwork, if you want to make a good choice, and in the end, the choice is yours. (glock...ugh...;)...j/k they are good guns, but i have MY opinions :p).

    when it comes to carry....again, you need to make your own choice. will it be pocket carry, iwb, owb.....lots of choices and you need to make a decsion based on YOUR needs. what will you do when you need to check your mail while carrying? what will you do when you want to go have some drinks with some friends? are you prepared to try and solve any problems in the most passive way you can FIRST? are you ready to walk away from every confrontation? at 22, i'm not sure i was level headed enough for CC...but i was a bit slow...maturity wise. :p

    think everything through, and get the best advice and training you can. in the end, it is YOUR responsibility to do so.

    *end old man lecture to young whipper snapper* ;)

     
  14. John_Deer

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    A glock 19 is great gun to start with if you have a large hand. Most people with average size hands prefer the M&P. The reason I like the glock for beginning shooter any faults in your grip and stance will be magnified by the Glock. The M&P is much more forgiving. The downside is you can have poor form and still shoot an M&P decently. perfect practice makes one better a glock will force you to practice perfectly.

    Google why does my Glock shoot to the left. You will find 100's of threads blaming the pistol. When the problem is the shooter had very poor form.

    Here is good article on how to make a Glock shoot straight.
    http://www.handgunsmag.com/2010/09/24/tactics_training_combatg_100306/

    Both the Glock and M&P hold there value very well. If you ever need to sell either pistol you should be able to recover most of your money. Both pistols are highly desirable and you should have no problems working out a private trade for a pistol of equal or greater value.
     
  15. hawkguy

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    so is a beretta......;)

    and boy is it purty ("er" than a glock)! :D
     

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  16. John_Deer

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    I own a Glock and it is winning me over. But I still refer to the Glock as the Hi Points Austrian cousin. They both are butt ugly in the looks department.
     
  17. hawkguy

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    i've always liked the berretta in looks and function. my compact is one fine lookin, smooth shootin' gun imo. love everything about it. i think it has a lot to do with the fact that the 92 was the first gun i ever owned.

    i have a friend who tuned up his glock and that gun shoots amazing! i'll admit, despite my prejudices, that glocks are very good guns. :p

    i would be glad to own a glock....i just wouldn't tell anyone i had it, or take it out in public. ;)
     
  18. indy36

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    Guns you should hold and investigate, in my opinion, are:

    - FN FNS9
    - A Rock Island 1911 variety
    - Steyr C9-A1 or S9-A1
    - Glock 19
    - Smith M&P Pro
    - Ruger SR9c
     
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