Buying a ar15 need help.

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by bruce101, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. bruce101

    bruce101 New Member

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    First off thanks for taking the time to look at this.

    I'm not completely new to the ar platform I'm in the military and run a colt m4, but doing all this research is starting to get me confused... Just a few things like 1/7, 1/8, 1/9 twist , chrome lined barrel, pencil thick barrel .....ect ect...

    Basically I need a quick rundown on a ar15.. I want a good one that can take a beating at shooting schools and be tough enough to last a Long time as my go too gun when **** hits the fan... But I don't want to drop a hole lot of money on one at the moment.

    What are the good brands to stick with and what are the iffy ones to stay away from...I would like to have a low gas block cause I plan on putting a troy, Daniel defense, or noveske free float rail on it.

    Here's what I want to build/ make it look like..
     

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  2. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    Well building is easier than it sounds and a great way to get the look and functions you want. At the current time it's hard to find any rifles or parts . You just need to keep your eyes open. I say start with the stripped lower. Look to PSA, stag, DD, spikes tactical.

    The barrel twist is a guideline for what weight of bullets should shoot the best. The faster 1/7 twist should in theory be better for heavier 75gr bullets than say a lighter 50 or 55gr bullet. But the 1/9 is better for light bullets. It's not always a guaranteed thing but generally true.
     

  3. longunner

    longunner New Member

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    Read the stickies they have a bunch of good info about barrel twists and recommended bullet grain weight for each. As for a quality AR you won't get anything now for a reasonable price unless you're lucky. If you wait till prices go back to normal you could get two for the price you're paying for one these days.
     
  4. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    Check out the stickies in the AR section. It is a wealth of information and will answer most of your questions.
     
  5. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    I also recommend you read the AR15 stickies.

    Having said that while many snobs claim 1 in 7 is superior for all but the most exotic heavy loads is just as good and may be marginally better for the most common 55 grain ammo.

    I currently own one with a 2 in 9 barrel, and 2 w/ a 1 in 7 barrell and i cannot discern a difference on the range with different rounds ( of course I stick to the most common loads only such as 55 gr and 62 gr but that is what 90% of ppl shoot)

    if you are going to shooting schools you mgith want to look at a high end one.
    Those actually have not risen as much in price as entry level guns.
     
  6. Quentin

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    Do you want an M4gery, pretty much a semiauto M4? The Colt 6920 is a civilian legal form of the M4 you now carry, except for SA and a 16" barrel. Their 6720 is the same except for a pencil barrel.

    I like the 16" pencil barrel but at 16" prefer the midlength gas length which is 2" longer than the carbine length gas which is perfect on the 14.5" M4. I'd say look hard at a BCM and Daniel Defense because Colt doesn't offer a middy. Other brands to consider for a patrol/duty rifle: LMT, Noveske, PSA, Sionics, Spikes and a few more. Colt of course if you want carbine length gas. I'd stay away from Bushmaster, DPMS, Oly, DTI, Windham and other commercial spec'd ARs

    Anyway, 1/7" twist; chrome lined pencil barrel, chamber and bolt carrier; milspec materials and measurements are the way to go.

    PSA is the best bang for the buck now but of course times are tough for the AR buyer now. Remember you can put together the parts of your choice yourself. Not hard at all.
     
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  7. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What Quentin said.:)

    I have the Colt 6940 with TA31H ACOG. IMHO, the way to go.:):)
     
  8. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Excellent configuration, Locutus!
     
  9. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    Remeer folks. our guns DO NOT fire full auto. so having a less than milspec gun means little for our applications.
    Heat load from full auto is what neccessiates those higher specs for the military

    Having said tha,t the old 3 Tier system is no longer valid as many of the so called "tier 3" brands have the same or nearly same specs now in thier better models.

    You can get a rifle from Delton that has 4150 steel, CL chamber an dbarrell. MPI/HPT bolts etc etc for 700 dollars (pre bubble price).
    Is the finishs as nice as a RRA or a DD? No but I dont think everyone cars about that.

    I own a Daniel Defense DDM4V5 and a SIG516 because i enjoy something really nice and expensive with beautiful finish and can easily afford such guns.

    But I dont want to send people that are on a budget on a wild goose chase for high dollar $$ brands by making them think enty level AR's are not good enough. They <are> good enough.


    if you are on a budget the big entry level brands Delton, DPMS and such, are fanastic guns and likely better quality than what the US military got from Colt in the 70's.

    And its not like the "better" brands are immune from problems:

    I just bought a Smith & Wesson MP15 MOE (which I had ordered before the bubble) and this is considered a high Tier 2 or even low Tier 1 gun by many.

    And the Front sight post was crooked!!!!
    On the S&W!

    But both Deltons I have owned had zero problems , the uppers where not beautifully finsihed, but they shot straight and the FST was straight, and they had the right specs too.
     
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  10. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    based on your picture, you'll want to get:

    Magpul AFG

    The optic looks like an Aimpoint...what exact model I don't know and I could be wrong, it's just what popped in my head when I saw it. But my personal opinion would be to go with an EOtech. I have an EXPS 2-0 and love it.

    If want my OPINION - get a Colt.

    I own an LE6940 and I love it. Beyond belief.

    Others will have differing opinions, but opinions are all you're going to get to go by. Everyone has different needs and circumstances, all of which have to be taken into consideration when picking a rifle.
     
  11. fsted2a

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    IMHO,
    Stay away from Vulcan/Blackthorne/Hesse or PCF (formerly Plum Crazy firearms) or any polymer uppers or lowers. Colt has probably the best quality control record of all the brands, even tho all of them will have a hiccup from time to time. Smith and Wesson M&P series is a good rifle at a lower cost. If I was going to buy an AR to start with and had the money, it would be a barebones(as much as possible anyway) carbine, and customize it item by item.
     
  12. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Hard to understand what you're saying but it sounds like the OP may run his rifle hard so I'm sure not going to recommend a commercial grade AR especially when you can get a milspec PSA for the price of Bushamster&co.
     
  13. oldcoplarry

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    I am a new member here too, and just purchased my first AR-15 from Mills Fleet Farm, here in Minnesota. They had a BUNCH of them. Only one 30 round mag per purchase, with NO extra mags
    available. Lots of ammo too. They have 1000 round packages for $350.
     
  14. bruce101

    bruce101 New Member

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    Yea I think I'm going to go with colt if I can find one... they were going for $1050 hope I can get one for same price or less..
     
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  16. bruce101

    bruce101 New Member

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    Well from what I can find out is there only going to in force background checks.. So the market should be getting better hopefully sooner than later..
     
  17. sniper762

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    enforce? ALL dealer firearms transactions already invove background checks.

    btw before a nics check can be done, one must give their ffl number.

    private sales?........gov better prepare for spending lots to hire huhdreds of nics operators AND prepare for invasion of privacy lawsuits.
     
  18. fsted2a

    fsted2a Active Member

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    Bushamster? I have never heard of them, oh. grammar king :D
     
  19. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Intentionally misspelled! :p I saw it spelled that way once and loved it!
     
  20. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Colt is an excellent choice, Bruce, and is about as close to your M4 as you can financially and legally get. Get to know the gun people at your Walmarts nearby. Maybe you can get a heads up when the next $1097 LE6920 is due in.