Buy a gun from a friend question

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Rugers9, Aug 20, 2012.

  1. Rugers9

    Rugers9 New Member

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    So a buddy has a gun (handgun) he's getting rid of wants to sell it to me. What steps do we need to take to make this happen?
     
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  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    most of it will depend on what state you live in and what the laws are regarding face to face private sales. different states, different laws.
     
  4. okdonk

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    Actually i just sold my Sig 2022 9mm to a local guy days ago. What i did here in Vegas (regardless to a friend or stranger) was:
    Make a "Bill of Sale" for each buyer and the seller. Stating the model #, serial #, caliber, make and date. Full name, address, DOB and phone # of both parties. Get the seller to write down his name and sign.
    Show each other's Driver License, CCW and surrender the gun's blue card to the buyer.
    Buyer gives money and seller says thank you ;).
    You can if u want, take pictures of ewch other's Driver License and CCW. Which i did too.
     
  5. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    All three of the answers above are right- more or less. Sort of. Maybe.

    SOME states do not permit direct sales of a handgun between 2 residents of the same state. NC requires you to have a purchase permit even for private sales. Couple of states require transfer take place at the police station. Most do not restrict a face to face sale between 2 residents.

    Without knowing what state you are in, we can't give you a valid answer- but doing a transfer THRU a ffl IS legal in all 50 states. May not be required in YOUR state.

    But you did not say what state you are in.




    Damnit, NOW we'll have to track him down. RELEASE THE HOUNDS!
     
  6. Gert999

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    Amazingingly that is the one and only advantge to the stupid F*&ing FOID card required in illinois, Bill of sale copy of each other's FOID or at least the info off of the card and your good
     
  7. Rugers9

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    The great state of Arizona.
     
  8. sniper762

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    in nc the purchacer must obtain a pistol purchace permit from the sherrif of his county of residence, but the seller is not required to demand it nor to do any paperwork. although it would behoove the seller to get a bill of sales and a state aproved id# for cya.
     
  9. vincent

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    Good answer! I think it's actually a good law just for the cya factor alone...
     
  10. big shrek

    big shrek Well-Known Member

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    Arizona has precious few gun laws other than don't sell to a minor, a known criminal or an illegal alien...
    and try to only shoot bad guys with 'em ;)

    Quick skim info here...Arizona Laws as of 2011
     
  11. sniper762

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    ARIZONA LAW "Registration of rifles and shotguns? No"

    so your saying that to buy a firearm, one does not have to fill out an atf form 4473 (which btw IS registering it)?
     
  12. big shrek

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    There is no Federal Requirement to have an FFL for a Private sale...

    As far as I know, only 6 states require a 4473/FFL transfer for all firearms transfers, including Private Transactions...
    Kalifornikstan, New Jerky, New Yuck, Howareya (overtaxed), Ill&Dead, and iforgetwhichYankeestate...lol
    Pennsylvania, evidently NC & CT only requires handguns to be registered...FOID card or some nonsense...bleah
    I believe the other 41 states figure that their residents are smart enough not to be nanny-stated ;)

    The only time you have to fill out a 4473 in the other 41 states is if you purchase from a Licensed Dealer (Gun Shop/Gun Show/Pawn shop)...
    Private transfers are Exempt...

    Which means there are a LOT of "Unregistered" firearms out there...estimates range into the billions...
     
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2012
  13. sniper762

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    batf&e (federal law) requires ALL states get 4473s on all firearms sales (except private intrastate sales)
     
  14. big shrek

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    Hah, did that at the same time...LOL

    Private sales are what drive Liberals NUTS...they can't understand why people wouldn't want their firearms registered...
    smart folks KNOW why not... ;)

    2nd Amendment wasn't put there for Hunting Rights, it was put there so that the People could RISE UP if the gov't
    were to become too tyrannical...much like what is happening now...
    Thomas Jefferson (if alive today) would have already put together a Militia and would be headed for the White House & Congress by now...
     
  15. c3shooter

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    A form 4473 is required only when the ownership of a firearm is transferred by a FFL holder to a non- FFL holder.

    You want to sell you neighbor your gun, neither is a FFL holder, no 4473. Want to give one to your son? No 4473. I AM a FFL holder. I buy a gun from a local dealer- I give him my license number. No 4473.

    As far as registration, there is no FEDERAL registration of ordinary rifles, shotgun, or handguns. The dealer retains the form 4473 at their premises for 20 years. A FEW states require registration of firearms with a state agency. AZ is NOT one of those states.
     
  16. sniper762

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    typical trace.....IF a gun is in question by police, they call atf who calls the ffl holder who it was sold to and demands info of its further distribution( if no further distribution, then YOU are liable and a suspect of its use, i.e murder, robbery, etc)

    thats registration

    you, as an ffl holder are atf's registrar
     
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  17. Rugers9

    Rugers9 New Member

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    So is it possible to get the gun registered to me by a FFL after I purchase it from a private party. I assume there will be a small fee.
     
  18. sniper762

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    i sold an item on ebay......the buyer paid by paypal....three weeks later after several email inquiries, i got a check from paypal which btw also had to clear the bank.

    furthermore are ebay's checks excempt from fraudulant copy or any more secure than postal m/o's or cashier's checks?
     
  19. sniper762

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    no not after....in order for the weapon to be "a registered legal sale" with atf. the transaction must be made between you, the seller and the ffl hoder
     
  20. Rugers9

    Rugers9 New Member

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    Ok well thanks everyone foe the info post pics if I purchase.